So at what age should state sanctioned murder be stopped, or is all just up to the individual and their "belief"? On Mar 14, 2016 1:13 PM, "Bruce Robertson" <br...@pooh.com> wrote:
> No, I want to go back to persecution. It is persecution because you would > be trying to carry out the wishes of the boss *as you understand them.* > Not necessarily as I see those wishes. Therefore by supporting legislation > that affects the population as a whole, you are imposing your beliefs upon > me, against my will. I may have the equally valid belief that the boss > upstairs wants us all to accept guidance, but ultimately make decisions for > ourselves (and of course take responsibility for those decisions). Someone > with such beliefs would only support legislation that would make decisions > such as birth control, abortion, etc. completely up to each individual, her > conscience, and her relationship with the boss. > > ~sigh~ I swore I would never get involved in a political or religious > discussion. My apologies. > > On 03/13/2016 09:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Nevermind the persecution thing, I didn’t fully read your post properly. > > *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:50 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan > > If I have a strong feeling that the guy in the sky that created all of us > hates the murder of babies, yes I will try to stop that via legislation. > How is that persecution? Just trying to carry out the wishes of the boss. > He has promised me a pretty nice apartment if I give it a good try. > > Persecution? > > *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:46 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan > > > So you wish to force your religious beliefs on others via legislation, in > a country created to escape persecution from religion? > On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> Here is why a churches need to be involved with reproductive care, >> contraception, or abortion. >> >> If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc. >> >Then if you believe that entity cares about these things (listed above). >> >>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity has communicated its >> wishes with man. >> >>>Then if you believe that those wishes are contained in doctrine of >> churches or bodies of scripture. >> >>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all laws of man. >> The church needs to be involved in all facets of life. If you believe >> the above. >> >> You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a smart person should hedge >> their bets against actually not knowing that they are totally right about >> that. Could be that every time you eat spaghetti you are committing a >> mortal sin. Could be. >> >> For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor of Christianity and do >> my thing, while you do your thing. >> But if I have an opportunity to legislate away things I consider mortal >> sins, I will try. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >> >> >> Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care, >> contraception, or abortion? >> >> Those are medical issues. >> On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church on every >>> corner. Let the churches handle it....they are more than capable. >>> >>> My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things) >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>> >>> What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood are actually >>> upset about is they offer birth control. Some people obsess about poor >>> people having sex without the punishment of getting pregnant. See this if >>> you forgot: >>> >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy >>> >>> I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion yet also >>> extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted pregnancies = less abortions. >>> Which is the lesser evil? >>> >>> I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with sex, especially >>> “other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors #getalife >>> >>> >>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>> >>> >>> Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you think. >>> On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here. >>>> >>>> I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not gay, I know a handful of gay >>>> people. Not my cup of tea but the government doesn't have any right >>>> telling them what they can or can't do. >>>> >>>> Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt. Now, I'm not so >>>> sure on that. When I was growing up there were few gay couples who had >>>> "come out" and we thought if the girl had a different last name than her >>>> mommy we thought that was odd. Quite a bit different now but it could >>>> still screw with a kids head in terms of "traditional marriage". >>>> >>>> It would be hard to NOT state that traditional marriage has gone to >>>> hell in this country. But then again, so many "traditional" things have >>>> gone to hell. How many women stay at home and take care of the family >>>> while dad goes to work? >>>> >>>> I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood. The videos pretty much >>>> got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS. Defund it. There are plenty of other >>>> non-government-funded entities who can do that work. >>>> >>>> Any tax is bad :) >>>> >>>> I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>> >>>> His stances: >>>> Gay marriage is wrong >>>> He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple >>>> Defund planned parenthood >>>> Raising corporate tax is bad >>>> Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for juveniles. >>>> Wants to drill in ANWR >>>> Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy. >>>> Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for federal employees. >>>> Votes for PATRIOT act over and over >>>> Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance against us citizens >>>> Denied additional funding that would provide expanded child healthcare >>>> "Let's build a fence!" >>>> Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal immigrants who received >>>> hospital treatment >>>> >>>> Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a "nope" for me. >>>> On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey, I said I liked him. Just not full on man crush. >>>>> >>>>> I didn’t see how his math added up for the budgets he proposed. There >>>>> were some missing pages where magic happened to balance the budget. >>>>> Seemed >>>>> like the same old voodoo economics. >>>>> >>>>> So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin? At least Putin is >>>>> supposedly an 8th degree black belt. He would probably take care of the >>>>> protester himself. If Trump thinks he can bully the Putins of the world, >>>>> I’m not so sure. I think McCain could take him in a fair fight. Hell, >>>>> Bernie could probably take him. I was never fond of Nixon, but the photo >>>>> of the “kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a treasure. >>>>> >>>>> http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Paul Ryan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the first time he appeared on >>>>> the national stage. Very impressed with him. Could almost call him my >>>>> "man crush". I'd be interested in hearing what you do not like about him >>>>> Ken. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even >>>>> More AfterChicago Violence >>>>> >>>>> I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with >>>>> them, I'm >>>>> not convinced it's about left or right. If I had to single out one >>>>> person >>>>> as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it would be >>>>> Mitch >>>>> McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried about >>>>> their own >>>>> power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch. >>>>> >>>>> I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics, but >>>>> I like >>>>> what he has said since being elected Speaker. I would like to see if >>>>> they >>>>> are just words, or if he would translate them into actions. I don't >>>>> think >>>>> we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered him >>>>> irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with >>>>> someone >>>>> actually interested in governing. I wonder what conservative goals >>>>> could >>>>> have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to make >>>>> Obama >>>>> fail no matter how much damage it causes. Tort reform? Modifications >>>>> to >>>>> Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax reform? Immigration reform? >>>>> Mitch >>>>> doesn't care. Mitch cares about Mitch. That's the problem with the >>>>> establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and >>>>> staying in >>>>> power, they don't even pretend to do their job. And let me be clear, >>>>> I'm >>>>> not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just >>>>> McConnell is >>>>> the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I feel >>>>> he is >>>>> giving me the finger. >>>>> >>>>> I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different, but I >>>>> don't >>>>> think we'll find out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Bill Prince >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even More >>>>> After >>>>> Chicago Violence >>>>> >>>>> IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the right. >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >>>>> > Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left. Everybody's >>>>> idea >>>>> > of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll make a >>>>> deal. >>>>> >>>>> !DSPAM:2,56e643e613941725215664! > > >
