That is patently false. There are far more poor white people than
poor black people. Now the percentage of blacks as a group might be
higher than the percentage of whites as a group (26% vs 10%), but the
facts are that there are more poor whites. In fact there are almost
double the amount of poor whites as poor blacks (19.7m vs 10.8m). So,
where are all the stories of disenfranchised white poor people?
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us
<mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:
Well the "premiss" of these laws it to prevent fraud. What
actually happens because of the way they are written is that
young and poor people end up having problems voting.
I shouldn't have said black I should have said poor. Not all
black people are poor and not all poor people are black. But the
majority of people below the poverty line happen to be black.
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Jay Weekley
<par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:
Are blacks supposed to have a different ID than whites?
Sean Heskett wrote:
Also Wisconsin's voter ID law worked as intended to
suppress the student and black vote.
Yay 'Merica 🇺🇸
http://www.thenation.com/article/wisconsins-voter-id-law-caused-major-problems-at-the-polls-last-night/
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard
<mhoward...@gmail.com <mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a
quick google
tells me they require one of the following:
* Texas driver license issued by the Texas
Department of Public
Safety (DPS)
* Texas Election Identification Certificate issued
by DPS
* Texas personal identification card issued by DPS
* Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS
* United States military identification card
containing the
person’s photograph
* United States citizenship certificate containing
the person’s
photograph
* United States passport
Those are all government issued forms of photo ID...
I don't
really see anything inconsistent there.
here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are
acceptable...
and there is a process for obtaining an ID card
completely free if
you can't pay for the necessary documentation. But as
far as
requiring a birth certificate to get an ID, how else
do you go
about proving that you're actually citizen? I really
don't see
anything unfair about requiring someone to prove
they're a citizen
to be eligible to vote.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett
<af...@zirkel.us
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');>> wrote:
The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only
exists
because of gerrymandering. They are in districts
that are so
skewed that only a super conservative
"republican" could ever
win.
As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that
absentee
ballots have a lot of voter fraud but in person
voting the
fraud is less than .01%. All the voter ID laws
are designed
to suppress in person voting with an illegal
"poll tax". Oh
sure the ID might be "free" but the birth
certificate you need
to produce costs money. Also in texas you can
use your
hunting or fishing license but you can't use a
student
ID...even if the student ID was issued by a state
school.
Tell me exactly how those two things in this
country are 1.
Fair 2. Make America great?!?!
-Sean
On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett
<af...@ics-il.net
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');>> wrote:
"conservative minority" HAH!
Most people are in the middle and couldn't
give a shit
less, while indeed a minority fight for or
against most
things.
"Progressive liberals" often forget the
difference between
legal and illegal immigration.
If the "conservative minority" is
gerrymandering districts
in Illinois, they sure aren't very good at
it. Both
parties gerrymander and it sucks.
You need an ID to do almost everything else
in your life,
why should the most important thing be any
different?
BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to
a mostly
logical conversation.
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*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says
He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
"The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an
expensive attempt
to solve a non-issue...PERIOD!
My great grandfather was an immigrant from
Italy...when no
one liked Italians. Italy was poor and
invading north
africa his motivation was the same as all
the South
Americans coming here now (I say South
Americans because
most of the illegal immigrants are forms
Countries south
of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from
learning Italian
because at that time the Italians were looked
down upon
(early 1900's)
Totally shameful that everyone has the "close
the gate
behind me" mentality. America (not 'merica)
is built on
immigrants. Those who have no compassion for
the Syrians
fleeing oppression or the South Americans
migrating north
for a better life are just plain stupid in my
opinion.
As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and
I'm fucking
proud of being a progressive liberal - im so
sick and
tired of the agenda of this country being
driven by this
damn conservative minority who would rather
see their
neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative
minority
because they have to gerrymander districts
and enact
"voter ID" laws in order to win. Social
security and
Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being
and prevent
the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
I could go on and on but #fucktrump and
#fuckcruze their
policies and rhetoric have no place in a
"civilized" society.
What the happened to "love thy
neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF?
I can't wait to see the republican convention
contort
itself into a million pieces...you reap what
you sow.
America is already fucking great!
Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps
my hide to
see American politicians act this poorly.
2 cents
-Sean
On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall
<pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s
make this
disclaimer up front.
However, there is a LOT of street smarts
in this guy. The negotiation is just
that… a negotiation. IF he
gets in, and starts this process and is
bound and
determined to make it happen, extremities
can be
discussed (or thrown out there as shots
across the
bow), and then adjustments get made. The
point of a
wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets
it started,
and having Mexico start to feel the pinch
(in whatever
way that takes) will get people’s attention.
Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration
challenges? Of course not. Is it helpful
and one part of the
total solution needed? absolutely.
There IS NO
border with the U.S. right now. What is
there is a
façade. Trump is crude and I wish he
would tone down
the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s
benefit, including
himself), but this country needs action
in so, so many
areas and nobody seems to have the gonads
to do
anything that isn’t buried in PC or
politics or
corruption or power or all of the above.
I acknowledge that I may be naĂŻve or
optimistic on the
subject. But, I /still believe in
America/ and its
strength and there is been absolutely
nothing done in
recent time to maintain or increase its
strength… only
further dilution and division and
flailing discourse
at an unprecedented level historically.
Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some
balls and fix
our country fan”
Paul
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
*On Behalf Of
*Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says
He Might Block
Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
What a fucking idiot idea....from a
fucking idiot....
did I say fucking idiot..oh yes I did
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237
