No fraud? Last year some lady was convicted of voting three times. So while little is likely very true, no fraud is absolutely not true. This is the only one I remember that got big press but I doubt it is the only one. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/17/cincinnati-illegal-voting/2530119/ Statistically, if that is what you meant, then I would agree that thee isn't enough to sway an election.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:45 AM Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > We've been voting for 250 years without theses laws and there has been > little to no fraud in person voter fraud. After Obama won all the > conservatives enacted voter ID laws that suppress...wait for it...the > student and poor vote. > > If they really were trying to get rid of voter fraud they would focus the > laws on absentee ballots where there is known fraud...but that would > suppress the elderly vote and they tend to vote for republicans :-/ > > It will be decided in the courts but we will have to go thru a couple > rounds of voting with these laws on the books. > > If you can't beat em...change the rules! That's what will happen at the > republican convention. Rule 40 is gonna go bye bye...but it's their party > so they can do what they want as a private org. > > 2 cents > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells me >> they require one of the following: >> >> - Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >> Safety (DPS) >> - Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >> - Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >> - Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >> - United States military identification card containing the person’s >> photograph >> - United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >> photograph >> - United States passport >> >> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really see >> anything inconsistent there. >> >> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and there >> is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't pay for >> the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth certificate to >> get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're actually citizen? I >> really don't see anything unfair about requiring someone to prove they're a >> citizen to be eligible to vote. >> > On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: >> > The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a super >>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>> >>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have a >>> lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. All >>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an illegal >>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >>> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID was >>> issued by a state school. >>> >>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. Make >>> America great?!?! >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>> >>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>>> >>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >>>> illegal immigration. >>>> >>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in Illinois, >>>> they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander and it sucks. >>>> >>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should >>>> the most important thing be any different? >>>> >>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>>> conversation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a >>>> non-issue...PERIOD! >>>> >>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked >>>> Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was the >>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans >>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south >>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that >>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >>>> >>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" >>>> mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who have >>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans >>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >>>> >>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of >>>> being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this >>>> country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather >>>> see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they >>>> have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to >>>> win. Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and >>>> prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>>> >>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and >>>> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>>> >>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >>>> >>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a >>>> million pieces...you reap what you sow. >>>> >>>> America is already fucking great! >>>> >>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American >>>> politicians act this poorly. >>>> >>>> 2 cents >>>> >>>> -Sean >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up >>>>> front. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The >>>>> negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts this >>>>> process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be >>>>> discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then >>>>> adjustments get made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, >>>>> gets it started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever >>>>> way >>>>> that takes) will get people’s attention. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course not. >>>>> Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? absolutely. >>>>> There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is there is a façade. >>>>> Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for >>>>> everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in >>>>> so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that >>>>> isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of the above. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. But, >>>>> I *still believe in America* and its strength and there is been >>>>> absolutely nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its >>>>> strength… only further dilution and division and flailing discourse at an >>>>> unprecedented level historically. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What a fucking idiot idea....from a fucking idiot.... did I say >>>>> fucking idiot..oh yes I did >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >>>>> >>>> >>>>
