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Voter fraud is vertically non existent On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? > > *From:* Sean Heskett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax > specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to > vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. > > To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you > need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today > were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the > years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. > > Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one > so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so > sorry. Try harder. > > -Sean > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote: > >> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >> tests, pay money. >> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >> pay money. >> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote or >> to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >> passport, pay money. >> >> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have >> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public >> transportation and few people own a car??? >> >> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public >> transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass >> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot >> or by bike. >> >> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. >> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and >> whatever cash I had on hand. >> >> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. >> >> -Sean >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >> >>> Should they be allowed to drive? >>> >>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >>> >>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% of >>> 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, to >>> obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote: >>> >>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they >>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote: >>> >>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >>>> otherwise. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett < >>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>>>> racist. >>>>> >>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>>>> fine with that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" < >>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> >>>>> *To: *"af" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>>>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>> >>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells >>>>> me they require one of the following: >>>>> >>>>> - Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>>>> Safety (DPS) >>>>> - Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>>> - Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>>> - Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>>> - United States military identification card containing the >>>>> person’s photograph >>>>> - United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>>>> photograph >>>>> - United States passport >>>>> >>>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really >>>>> see anything inconsistent there. >>>>> >>>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and >>>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't >>>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth >>>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're >>>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring >>>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < >>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>>>>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a >>>>>> super >>>>>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>>>>> >>>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have >>>>>> a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. >>>>>> All >>>>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an >>>>>> illegal >>>>>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate you >>>>>> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >>>>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID >>>>>> was >>>>>> issued by a state school. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. >>>>>> Make America great?!?! >>>>>> >>>>>> -Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < >>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>>>>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal and >>>>>>> illegal immigration. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in >>>>>>> Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander >>>>>>> and it >>>>>>> sucks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why should >>>>>>> the most important thing be any different? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>>>>>> conversation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a >>>>>>> non-issue...PERIOD! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked >>>>>>> Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation was >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans >>>>>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of >>>>>>> Mexico) >>>>>>> He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the >>>>>>> Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" >>>>>>> mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans >>>>>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of >>>>>>> being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this >>>>>>> country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather >>>>>>> see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win. >>>>>>> Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and >>>>>>> prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies >>>>>>> and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a >>>>>>> million pieces...you reap what you sow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> America is already fucking great! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see >>>>>>> American politicians act this poorly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2 cents >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Sean >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up >>>>>>>> front. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The >>>>>>>> negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then >>>>>>>> adjustments get made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from >>>>>>>> him, >>>>>>>> gets it started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in >>>>>>>> whatever way >>>>>>>> that takes) will get people’s attention. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course >>>>>>>> not. Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? >>>>>>>> absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is >>>>>>>> there is >>>>>>>> a façade. Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a >>>>>>>> bit >>>>>>>> (for everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs >>>>>>>> action >>>>>>>> in so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything >>>>>>>> that isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. >>>>>>>> But, I *still believe in America* and its strength and there is >>>>>>>> been absolutely nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase its >>>>>>>> strength… only further dilution and division and flailing discourse at >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> unprecedented level historically. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country fan” >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime >>>>>>>> Solorza >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What a fucking idiot idea....from a fucking idiot.... did I say >>>>>>>> fucking idiot..oh yes I did >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>
