In Chicago only the dead vote ;) twice! On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Certainly non existent in Chicago.... right.... No fraud about it. You > pay good money for good votes. > > *From:* Sean Heskett <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');> > *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:28 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money > Transfers to Mexico - WSJ > > > > http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/upshot/vote-fraud-is-rare-but-myth-is-widespread.html?referer= > > Voter fraud is vertically non existent > > > > On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');>> wrote: > >> OK, how do you prevent people from voting twice? Or 10 times? >> >> *From:* Sean Heskett >> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 10:20 PM >> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >> >> Except that the 24th amendment to to US constitution outlaws a poll tax >> specifically because people have tried to suppress other people's right to >> vote by making laws that require some "hoop" to be jumped thru. >> >> To get an ID you need a birth certificate, to get a birth certificate you >> need to...wait for it...pay money to the state. Many people alive today >> were not issued a birth certificate at birth or have lost it thru the >> years. Obtaining a new birth certificate == poll tax. >> >> Why not just say everyone who votes needs a pilot's license. I have one >> so I can vote...oh you don't have $10,000 to get a pilot license, so >> sorry. Try harder. >> >> -Sean >> >> >> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >> >>> I am saying, if you want to drive, you have to get qualified. Pass >>> tests, pay money. >>> If you want a concealed carry, you have to get qualified. Pass tests, >>> pay money. >>> Voting is a privilege too. Just like a passport. If you want to vote >>> or to leave the country, you have to get qualified and in the case of a >>> passport, pay money. >>> >>> I understand the argument that voting is a bedrock principle of our >>> style of civilization and you should be automatically qualified once you >>> hit voting age, but we take that right away from some felons. We need to >>> keep the voting process as honest as possible and that means attempting to >>> control voter fraud. Having ID does not seem like an insurmountable >>> unreasonable barrier to entry. Some folks are just born into sucky >>> situations. Affirmative action did not seem to erase that. >>> >>> *From:* Sean Heskett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 7:48 PM >>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>> >>> Um I know some of you are being funny and others are serious...but have >>> y'all never lived in the city where everyone takes the bus or other public >>> transportation and few people own a car??? >>> >>> I lived in downtown Denver for four years and rode my bike/used public >>> transportation and didn't own a car. It was too big of a pain in the ass >>> to find parking etc and the city center is much easier to navigate on foot >>> or by bike. >>> >>> At the time I also didn't drink alcohol and I've never smoked tobacco. >>> Didn't need anything more than my student ID (for all the discounts) and >>> whatever cash I had on hand. >>> >>> Not everyone lives in suburbia and drives a ginormous SUV. >>> >>> -Sean >>> >>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Chuck McCown < >>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com');> wrote: >>> >>>> Should they be allowed to drive? >>>> >>>> *From:* Carl Peterson >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:01 PM >>>> *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>> Transfers toMexico - WSJ >>>> >>>> There are areas of Baltimore where I would venture that more then 75% >>>> of 18-20 year olds have no state ID and likely have no idea how, or means, >>>> to obtain one. Should they be allowed to vote? >>>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Cameron Crum < >>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cc...@wispmon.com');> wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm curious how any functioning adult lives life without an ID? Do they >>>> drive, buy tobacco, buy alcohol, buy prescription meds, have a bank >>>> account, have a job, travel on a plane, go to school, or any number of >>>> other things that require an ID almost daily? Your hyperbole about >>>> conservatives is just as bad as if I said the only reason you don't want >>>> voter id is so all the illegals can vote to keep your liberals in power. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Mathew Howard < >>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well... I'm all for keeping Mexicans from voting (as in citizens of >>>>> Mexico)... but if we're talking US citizens of Mexican descent, they >>>>> obviously have every bit as much right to vote as I do, whether I agree >>>>> with who they vote for or not... and I don't know anyone that thinks >>>>> otherwise. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Mike Hammett < >>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Opponents think it's to keep "Mexicans" from voting because we're all >>>>>> racist. >>>>>> >>>>>> Voting is little different with the second Amendment and they're just >>>>>> fine with that. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" < >>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com');> >>>>>> *To: *"af" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> >>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:32:17 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>> >>>>>> While I'm not familiar with Texas' requirements, a quick google tells >>>>>> me they require one of the following: >>>>>> >>>>>> - Texas driver license issued by the Texas Department of Public >>>>>> Safety (DPS) >>>>>> - Texas Election Identification Certificate issued by DPS >>>>>> - Texas personal identification card issued by DPS >>>>>> - Texas license to carry a handgun issued by DPS >>>>>> - United States military identification card containing the >>>>>> person’s photograph >>>>>> - United States citizenship certificate containing the person’s >>>>>> photograph >>>>>> - United States passport >>>>>> >>>>>> Those are all government issued forms of photo ID... I don't really >>>>>> see anything inconsistent there. >>>>>> >>>>>> here in Wisconsin, at least some student ID's are acceptable... and >>>>>> there is a process for obtaining an ID card completely free if you can't >>>>>> pay for the necessary documentation. But as far as requiring a birth >>>>>> certificate to get an ID, how else do you go about proving that you're >>>>>> actually citizen? I really don't see anything unfair about requiring >>>>>> someone to prove they're a citizen to be eligible to vote. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Sean Heskett < >>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@zirkel.us');> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The 42 member "freedom caucus" in the house only exists because of >>>>>>> gerrymandering. They are in districts that are so skewed that only a >>>>>>> super >>>>>>> conservative "republican" could ever win. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for voter ID there is tons of evidence that absentee ballots have >>>>>>> a lot of voter fraud but in person voting the fraud is less than .01%. >>>>>>> All >>>>>>> the voter ID laws are designed to suppress in person voting with an >>>>>>> illegal >>>>>>> "poll tax". Oh sure the ID might be "free" but the birth certificate >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> need to produce costs money. Also in texas you can use your hunting or >>>>>>> fishing license but you can't use a student ID...even if the student ID >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> issued by a state school. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tell me exactly how those two things in this country are 1. Fair 2. >>>>>>> Make America great?!?! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Sean >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Mike Hammett < >>>>>>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net');> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "conservative minority" HAH! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most people are in the middle and couldn't give a shit less, while >>>>>>>> indeed a minority fight for or against most things. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Progressive liberals" often forget the difference between legal >>>>>>>> and illegal immigration. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the "conservative minority" is gerrymandering districts in >>>>>>>> Illinois, they sure aren't very good at it. Both parties gerrymander >>>>>>>> and it >>>>>>>> sucks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You need an ID to do almost everything else in your life, why >>>>>>>> should the most important thing be any different? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BTW: I'd like to welcome unchecked emotion to a mostly logical >>>>>>>> conversation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> >>>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 1:16:11 AM >>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve >>>>>>>> a non-issue...PERIOD! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one >>>>>>>> liked Italians. Italy was poor and invading north africa his >>>>>>>> motivation >>>>>>>> was the same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South >>>>>>>> Americans because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries >>>>>>>> south >>>>>>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me" >>>>>>>> mentality. America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants. Those who >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans >>>>>>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of >>>>>>>> being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>> country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would >>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>> see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to >>>>>>>> win. >>>>>>>> Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and >>>>>>>> prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies >>>>>>>> and rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!? Seriously WTF? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a >>>>>>>> million pieces...you reap what you sow. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> America is already fucking great! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see >>>>>>>> American politicians act this poorly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2 cents >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Sean >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Guys, I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up >>>>>>>>> front. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> However, there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy. The >>>>>>>>> negotiation is just that… a negotiation. IF he gets in, and starts >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> process and is bound and determined to make it happen, extremities >>>>>>>>> can be >>>>>>>>> discussed (or thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then >>>>>>>>> adjustments get made. The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from >>>>>>>>> him, >>>>>>>>> gets it started, and having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in >>>>>>>>> whatever way >>>>>>>>> that takes) will get people’s attention. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges? Of course >>>>>>>>> not. Is it helpful and one part of the total solution needed? >>>>>>>>> absolutely. There IS NO border with the U.S. right now. What is >>>>>>>>> there is >>>>>>>>> a façade. Trump is crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric >>>>>>>>> a bit >>>>>>>>> (for everybody’s benefit, including himself), but this country needs >>>>>>>>> action >>>>>>>>> in so, so many areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do >>>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>>> that isn’t buried in PC or politics or corruption or power or all of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> above. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I acknowledge that I may be naïve or optimistic on the subject. >>>>>>>>> But, I *still believe in America* and its strength and there is >>>>>>>>> been absolutely nothing done in recent time to maintain or increase >>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>> strength… only further dilution and division and flailing discourse >>>>>>>>> at an >>>>>>>>> unprecedented level historically. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Not a Trump fan, but “let’s have some balls and fix our country >>>>>>>>> fan” >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime >>>>>>>>> Solorza >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 05, 2016 7:10 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money >>>>>>>>> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What a fucking idiot idea....from a fucking idiot.... did I say >>>>>>>>> fucking idiot..oh yes I did >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-says-he-might-block-money-transfers-to-mexico-1459892237 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
