You express that so diplomatically.

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2016 3:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP

Is it possible the ePMP tx power is at the regional maximum while the ubiquiti 
tx power was at the hardware maximum?


On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com> wrote:

  RSSI?
  4-7dBm


  On 6/5/2016 1:17 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

    What was the average signal difference?

    Jerry Head wrote:

      It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just helped a 
friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to make use of the sync 
capabilities. We actually had to transfer about 15% of the customers to 900 
because they would not work at all on epmp.

      On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

        But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same link, 
or is it maybe just differences in how they calculate signal levels? It doesn't 
make any sense that two different radios running on the same frequency putting 
the same amount of power into the same antennas would give significantly 
different signal levels...

        The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a Force 
200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a significant difference 
between it and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.

        On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman 
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

            And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4,
            integrated + reflector for CPEs. Continues to suck.


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            On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

                I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
                *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
                *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
                *To:* af@afmug.com
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're
                using kp performance.  With epmp, i think it is bundled
                antennas...

                    ----- Original Message -----
                    *From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>
                    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                    *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                    Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be
                    mainly in the antennas.  2.4 GHz from any vendor should
                    penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t care what brand
                    radio launched them.  And I think the difference between
                    the platforms will be most evident in low interference
                    environment where they can achieve their full modulation
                    and throughput. With low SNR, I think it’s kind of like
                    arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing, neither
                    will be able to show off its capabilities. Receiver
                    sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
                    *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
                    *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
                    *To:* af@afmug.com
                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                    Also interested in interference rejection of the pmp450     
        - is there any (in 2.4)
                    we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt 2.4
                    than epmp 2.4 - - and from the performance of
                    the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        *From:* Matt <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
                        *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                        *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM
                        *Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
                        We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed. Some
                        Ubiquiti we tried and
                        some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have
                        tested but so far
                        have not deployed more then couple test links.

                        For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what
                        are the differences
                        you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance
                        among others?

                        For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what
                        was the reasoning?










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