If all that is done in the Ubnt gear, yes, but I suspect a number of Ubnt
WISPs do not...

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 4:50 PM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com>
wrote:

> i guess it could be something like that...but are they not both limited to
> regional maximum if one checks the calculate EIRP limit in the ubnt gear?
> And sets the correct antenna gain of course...
>
> On 6/5/2016 3:58 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
> Is it possible the ePMP tx power is at the regional maximum while the
> ubiquiti tx power was at the hardware maximum?
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jerry Head <li...@blountbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
>> RSSI?
>> 4-7dBm
>>
>>
>> On 6/5/2016 1:17 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>
>>> What was the average signal difference?
>>>
>>> Jerry Head wrote:
>>>
>>>> It absolutely does perform worse on the same link, we just helped a
>>>> friend move an entire site from UBNT to epmp to make use of the sync
>>>> capabilities. We actually had to transfer about 15% of the customers to 900
>>>> because they would not work at all on epmp.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/2/2016 4:31 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But does it actually perform worse that UBNT 2.4ghz on the same link,
>>>>> or is it maybe just differences in how they calculate signal levels? It
>>>>> doesn't make any sense that two different radios running on the same
>>>>> frequency putting the same amount of power into the same antennas would
>>>>> give significantly different signal levels...
>>>>>
>>>>> The closest thing I've done to a comparison was playing with a Force
>>>>> 200 2.4ghz in wifi mode... there didn't seem to be a significant 
>>>>> difference
>>>>> between it and a PowerBeam connecting to the same AP.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:
>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     And I've tried IT Elite dual pol panels, Force 200 2.4,
>>>>>     integrated + reflector for CPEs. Continues to suck.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Josh Luthman
>>>>>     Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
>>>>>     Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
>>>>>     1100 Wayne St
>>>>>     Suite 1337
>>>>>     Troy, OH 45373
>>>>>
>>>>>     On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof < <af...@kwisp.com>
>>>>> af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         I’m thinking more the CPE antennas.
>>>>>         *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto: <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>> par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>>         *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:59 PM
>>>>>         *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>>>>>         hmm, i will check into that. Pretty sure with ubnt we're
>>>>>         using kp performance.  With epmp, i think it is bundled
>>>>>         antennas...
>>>>>
>>>>>             ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>             *From:* Ken Hohhof <mailto: <af...@kwisp.com>
>>>>> af...@kwisp.com>
>>>>>             *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>>             *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:50 PM
>>>>>             *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>>>>>             Jay, I suspect the difference you are seeing may be
>>>>>             mainly in the antennas.  2.4 GHz from any vendor should
>>>>>             penetrate the same, the radio waves don’t care what brand
>>>>>             radio launched them.  And I think the difference between
>>>>>             the platforms will be most evident in low interference
>>>>>             environment where they can achieve their full modulation
>>>>>             and throughput. With low SNR, I think it’s kind of like
>>>>>             arguing Ferrari vs Porsche for off road racing, neither
>>>>>             will be able to show off its capabilities. Receiver
>>>>>             sensitivity and bits/sec/Hz won’t matter.
>>>>>             *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller <mailto:
>>>>> <par...@cyberbroadband.net>par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>>>>             *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 3:28 PM
>>>>>             *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>             *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>>>>>             Also interested in interference rejection of the pmp450
>>>>>          - is there any (in 2.4)
>>>>>             we are getting better foliage penetration with ubnt 2.4
>>>>>             than epmp 2.4 - - and from the performance of
>>>>>             the epmp 2.4 i wish wish wish it penetrated better!
>>>>>
>>>>>                 ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>                 *From:* Matt <mailto: <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
>>>>> matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
>>>>>                 *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>>                 *Sent:* Thursday, June 02, 2016 2:25 PM
>>>>>                 *Subject:* [AFMUG] PMP450 vs. ePMP
>>>>>                 We have mostly PMP100 and PMP450 deployed. Some
>>>>>                 Ubiquiti we tried and
>>>>>                 some we inherited as well.  Have some ePMP we have
>>>>>                 tested but so far
>>>>>                 have not deployed more then couple test links.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 For those who have tried both ePMP and PMP450 what
>>>>>                 are the differences
>>>>>                 you have seen in performance?  Interference tolerance
>>>>>                 among others?
>>>>>
>>>>>                 For those that have gone with PMP450 over ePMP what
>>>>>                 was the reasoning?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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