What price range is a Huawei link in?

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> wrote:

> You cannot directly compare 11 to 80 GHz. Totally different market. I
> can't do beyond 2.5 km at real five to six nines uptime with 80 GHz (even
> with +18 Tx power radios).
>
> I can do 60 km with 11 if the link will tolerate some ACM.
>
> On Aug 9, 2016 9:31 PM, "John Blake" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> It's obviously pricier than the B11, but if you want true symmetrical and
>> a ton of throughput, you could look at the Huawei RTN-380 radios.  These
>> will do 4Gbps (2Gbps symmetrical) at full licensing, or there are 1, 2,
>> 3Gbps licensing options.  They use 71-76 GHz and 81-86 GHz and so are super
>> easy and cheap to get (lightly) licensed. These are very popular with
>> carriers outside the US, but not so much in the US because of all the
>> Huawei/Ciscolobby disputes, but that has largely been resolved and they
>> have been getting traction here.  Let me know if you want more info, we are
>> Huawei VAR.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Gino,
>>>
>>> That seems to be the only configuration that meets the requirement.  The
>>> way I see it, in a traditional FDD system you would license an XPIC pair of
>>> frequencies, say 11075 H/V at point A and 11565 H/V at point B.  Assuming
>>> an 820 running 256QAM you might get 500mbps per polarity per direction, for
>>> a two-way aggregate of 2gpbs.  You would have licensed 160MHz at each end
>>> of the system, for a system efficiency of 2gbps/320MHz = 6 b/s/hz.
>>> If you operate a B11 on the same pair of frequencies, you have to use
>>> their FD mode which a typical PCN claims will deliver 736mbps.  It would
>>> seem that this can be viewed as a two-way aggregate rate, because the
>>> radios still take turns transmitting as in a true TDMA system.  So, the
>>> system efficiency here is 736mbps/320MHz = 2.3 b/s/hz -- below the
>>> requirement of 3 b/s/hz.
>>>
>>> If you switch the B11 to the normal TDMA mode you will need to transmit
>>> on the same frequency from each end of the link.  So, in addition to
>>> licensing 11075 H and V transmitting from point A, you also need to license
>>> 11075 H and V transmitting from point B, which adds another 160MHz at each
>>> end. The PCNs show this configuration giving 1.47gbps (again assumed to be
>>> an aggregate figure due to the TDMA mode).  This is an efficiency of
>>> 1.47gbps/640MHz = 2.3 b/s/hz again.  However, because you have licensed two
>>> frequency pairs, each site can also transmit and receive on the unused
>>> 11565 H and V frequencies.  If you do this then you get 2*1.47gbps/640MHz =
>>> 4.6 b/s/hz.  This seems to be the only valid configuration, but does this
>>> take two radios at each end, or just one?
>>>
>>> Mike Black
>>>
>>> Black & Associates
>>>
>>> 727-773-9016
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>> ----------------------------
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11
>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]>
>>> Date: Wed, August 3, 2016 3:38 pm
>>> To: "Animal Farm" <[email protected]>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --------------
>>>
>>>
>>> > but the radio tx in both channels in the both polarites in both ends
>>> ...
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> No, it is just as spectrally efficient as any 256QAM radio... One 80
>>> MHz
>>> >> "low" channel in both polarities and one 80 MHz "high" channel in both
>>> >> polarities, as a typical FDD band plan such as you would use with a
>>> >> configuration with 2 dishes, 2 orthomode transducers and 4 radio heads
>>> >> (each radio operating in a single polarity) in a 2+0 configuration.
>>> >>
>>> >> You're arriving at the figure of 320 MHz by counting everything twice.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:28 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> We haven't had the pleasure of coordinating a B11 link yet, but they
>>> >>> certainly seem to be popular based upon the number of PCNs we are
>>> >>> seeing. So, a dumb question hopefully based upon a simple
>>> misunderstanding
>>> >>> of the numbers: I don't see how this meets the FCC minimum efficiency
>>> >>> standards for wide channels at 11GHz:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 80MHz channels x H and V = 160MHz, but with high/low pairing you
>>> double
>>> >>> this? to 320MHz occupied per end? So, to meet the 3 b/s/hz
>>> requirement at
>>> >>> 11GHz your symmetrical throughput would need to be >= 960mbps. What
>>> am I
>>> >>> missing?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mike Black
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Black & Associates
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 727-773-9016
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>> ----------------------------
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11
>>> >>>
>>> From: "Jaime Fink" <[email protected]>
>>> >>> Date: Tue, August 2, 2016 4:49 pm
>>> >>> To: "SmarterBroadband" <[email protected]>
>>> >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --------------
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > The PHY is 1733 Mbps aggregate, so depending on the chosen window
>>> >>> sizes, the top real world TCP speeds we’ve seen are between
>>> 1200-1300 Mbps
>>> >>> aggregate (75/25 or 50/50 mode), or 600-650 Mbps symmetric (50/50).
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > For 11 GHz this assumes high/low pairing of 80 MHz and both
>>> >>> polarizations coordinated.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Jaime Fink • Mimosa<http://www.mimosa.co> • CPO & Co-Founder
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On August 2, 2016 at 1:34:31 PM, SmarterBroadband (
>>> >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>)
>>> wrote:
>>> >>> > Can the B11 do 1Gbps Symmetrical?
>>> >>> > If not what is best Symmetrical?
>>> >>> > Thanks
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>

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