I'm talking 706 FT, give or take 6 inches

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> wrote:

> Depends on your distance, if you're going 1 km vs. 2.5 to 4 km....
>
> It is definitely a VERY narrow beam width. Particularly with 60cm
> antennas. I wouldn't do it on anything that sways.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 6:07 AM, Joe Novak <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> How stable of a structure do you need for 70/80Ghz? Self standing rohn 45
>> @ 55 ft too much? It's bracketed at 25ft.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> What price range is a Huawei link in?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You cannot directly compare 11 to 80 GHz. Totally different market. I
>>>> can't do beyond 2.5 km at real five to six nines uptime with 80 GHz (even
>>>> with +18 Tx power radios).
>>>>
>>>> I can do 60 km with 11 if the link will tolerate some ACM.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 9, 2016 9:31 PM, "John Blake" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's obviously pricier than the B11, but if you want true symmetrical
>>>>> and a ton of throughput, you could look at the Huawei RTN-380 radios.
>>>>> These will do 4Gbps (2Gbps symmetrical) at full licensing, or there are 1,
>>>>> 2, 3Gbps licensing options.  They use 71-76 GHz and 81-86 GHz and so are
>>>>> super easy and cheap to get (lightly) licensed. These are very popular 
>>>>> with
>>>>> carriers outside the US, but not so much in the US because of all the
>>>>> Huawei/Ciscolobby disputes, but that has largely been resolved and they
>>>>> have been getting traction here.  Let me know if you want more info, we 
>>>>> are
>>>>> Huawei VAR.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gino,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That seems to be the only configuration that meets the requirement.
>>>>>> The way I see it, in a traditional FDD system you would license an XPIC
>>>>>> pair of frequencies, say 11075 H/V at point A and 11565 H/V at point B.
>>>>>> Assuming an 820 running 256QAM you might get 500mbps per polarity per
>>>>>> direction, for a two-way aggregate of 2gpbs.  You would have licensed
>>>>>> 160MHz at each end of the system, for a system efficiency of 
>>>>>> 2gbps/320MHz =
>>>>>> 6 b/s/hz.
>>>>>> If you operate a B11 on the same pair of frequencies, you have to use
>>>>>> their FD mode which a typical PCN claims will deliver 736mbps.  It would
>>>>>> seem that this can be viewed as a two-way aggregate rate, because the
>>>>>> radios still take turns transmitting as in a true TDMA system.  So, the
>>>>>> system efficiency here is 736mbps/320MHz = 2.3 b/s/hz -- below the
>>>>>> requirement of 3 b/s/hz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you switch the B11 to the normal TDMA mode you will need to
>>>>>> transmit on the same frequency from each end of the link.  So, in 
>>>>>> addition
>>>>>> to licensing 11075 H and V transmitting from point A, you also need to
>>>>>> license 11075 H and V transmitting from point B, which adds another 
>>>>>> 160MHz
>>>>>> at each end. The PCNs show this configuration giving 1.47gbps (again
>>>>>> assumed to be an aggregate figure due to the TDMA mode).  This is an
>>>>>> efficiency of 1.47gbps/640MHz = 2.3 b/s/hz again.  However, because you
>>>>>> have licensed two frequency pairs, each site can also transmit and 
>>>>>> receive
>>>>>> on the unused 11565 H and V frequencies.  If you do this then you get
>>>>>> 2*1.47gbps/640MHz = 4.6 b/s/hz.  This seems to be the only valid
>>>>>> configuration, but does this take two radios at each end, or just one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike Black
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Black & Associates
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 727-773-9016
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11
>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, August 3, 2016 3:38 pm
>>>>>> To: "Animal Farm" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > but the radio tx in both channels in the both polarites in both
>>>>>> ends ...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> No, it is just as spectrally efficient as any 256QAM radio... One
>>>>>> 80 MHz
>>>>>> >> "low" channel in both polarities and one 80 MHz "high" channel in
>>>>>> both
>>>>>> >> polarities, as a typical FDD band plan such as you would use with a
>>>>>> >> configuration with 2 dishes, 2 orthomode transducers and 4 radio
>>>>>> heads
>>>>>> >> (each radio operating in a single polarity) in a 2+0 configuration.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> You're arriving at the figure of 320 MHz by counting everything
>>>>>> twice.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:28 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>> We haven't had the pleasure of coordinating a B11 link yet, but
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> >>> certainly seem to be popular based upon the number of PCNs we are
>>>>>> >>> seeing. So, a dumb question hopefully based upon a simple
>>>>>> misunderstanding
>>>>>> >>> of the numbers: I don't see how this meets the FCC minimum
>>>>>> efficiency
>>>>>> >>> standards for wide channels at 11GHz:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> 80MHz channels x H and V = 160MHz, but with high/low pairing you
>>>>>> double
>>>>>> >>> this? to 320MHz occupied per end? So, to meet the 3 b/s/hz
>>>>>> requirement at
>>>>>> >>> 11GHz your symmetrical throughput would need to be >= 960mbps.
>>>>>> What am I
>>>>>> >>> missing?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Mike Black
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Black & Associates
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> 727-773-9016
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> ---------------------------- Original Message
>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> From: "Jaime Fink" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >>> Date: Tue, August 2, 2016 4:49 pm
>>>>>> >>> To: "SmarterBroadband" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> --------------
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> > The PHY is 1733 Mbps aggregate, so depending on the chosen
>>>>>> window
>>>>>> >>> sizes, the top real world TCP speeds we’ve seen are between
>>>>>> 1200-1300 Mbps
>>>>>> >>> aggregate (75/25 or 50/50 mode), or 600-650 Mbps symmetric
>>>>>> (50/50).
>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>> >>> > For 11 GHz this assumes high/low pairing of 80 MHz and both
>>>>>> >>> polarizations coordinated.
>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>> >>> > Jaime Fink • Mimosa<http://www.mimosa.co> • CPO & Co-Founder
>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>> >>> > On August 2, 2016 at 1:34:31 PM, SmarterBroadband (
>>>>>> >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>)
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>> > Can the B11 do 1Gbps Symmetrical?
>>>>>> >>> > If not what is best Symmetrical?
>>>>>> >>> > Thanks
>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>> >>> >
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Reply via email to