All in for a Huawei RTN-380 including brackets, antennas, software, licensing, cables, accessories, etc. comes out between about $22k-30k per link depending on which options you pick.
Also, if 4Gbps isn't good enough, there is the RTN-380H that does 10G wireless. The specs on this are insane. - 10Gbps throughput - 2000 Mhz channel spacing, 128QAM modulation - SFP+ interfaces On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:00 AM, Joe Novak <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm talking 706 FT, give or take 6 inches > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Depends on your distance, if you're going 1 km vs. 2.5 to 4 km.... >> >> It is definitely a VERY narrow beam width. Particularly with 60cm >> antennas. I wouldn't do it on anything that sways. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 6:07 AM, Joe Novak <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> How stable of a structure do you need for 70/80Ghz? Self standing rohn >>> 45 @ 55 ft too much? It's bracketed at 25ft. >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:02 AM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> What price range is a Huawei link in? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:47 AM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You cannot directly compare 11 to 80 GHz. Totally different market. I >>>>> can't do beyond 2.5 km at real five to six nines uptime with 80 GHz (even >>>>> with +18 Tx power radios). >>>>> >>>>> I can do 60 km with 11 if the link will tolerate some ACM. >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 9, 2016 9:31 PM, "John Blake" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's obviously pricier than the B11, but if you want true symmetrical >>>>>> and a ton of throughput, you could look at the Huawei RTN-380 radios. >>>>>> These will do 4Gbps (2Gbps symmetrical) at full licensing, or there are >>>>>> 1, >>>>>> 2, 3Gbps licensing options. They use 71-76 GHz and 81-86 GHz and so are >>>>>> super easy and cheap to get (lightly) licensed. These are very popular >>>>>> with >>>>>> carriers outside the US, but not so much in the US because of all the >>>>>> Huawei/Ciscolobby disputes, but that has largely been resolved and they >>>>>> have been getting traction here. Let me know if you want more info, we >>>>>> are >>>>>> Huawei VAR. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 9:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gino, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That seems to be the only configuration that meets the requirement. >>>>>>> The way I see it, in a traditional FDD system you would license an XPIC >>>>>>> pair of frequencies, say 11075 H/V at point A and 11565 H/V at point B. >>>>>>> Assuming an 820 running 256QAM you might get 500mbps per polarity per >>>>>>> direction, for a two-way aggregate of 2gpbs. You would have licensed >>>>>>> 160MHz at each end of the system, for a system efficiency of >>>>>>> 2gbps/320MHz = >>>>>>> 6 b/s/hz. >>>>>>> If you operate a B11 on the same pair of frequencies, you have to >>>>>>> use their FD mode which a typical PCN claims will deliver 736mbps. It >>>>>>> would seem that this can be viewed as a two-way aggregate rate, because >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> radios still take turns transmitting as in a true TDMA system. So, the >>>>>>> system efficiency here is 736mbps/320MHz = 2.3 b/s/hz -- below the >>>>>>> requirement of 3 b/s/hz. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you switch the B11 to the normal TDMA mode you will need to >>>>>>> transmit on the same frequency from each end of the link. So, in >>>>>>> addition >>>>>>> to licensing 11075 H and V transmitting from point A, you also need to >>>>>>> license 11075 H and V transmitting from point B, which adds another >>>>>>> 160MHz >>>>>>> at each end. The PCNs show this configuration giving 1.47gbps (again >>>>>>> assumed to be an aggregate figure due to the TDMA mode). This is an >>>>>>> efficiency of 1.47gbps/640MHz = 2.3 b/s/hz again. However, because you >>>>>>> have licensed two frequency pairs, each site can also transmit and >>>>>>> receive >>>>>>> on the unused 11565 H and V frequencies. If you do this then you get >>>>>>> 2*1.47gbps/640MHz = 4.6 b/s/hz. This seems to be the only valid >>>>>>> configuration, but does this take two radios at each end, or just one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike Black >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Black & Associates >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 727-773-9016 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------- Original Message >>>>>>> ---------------------------- >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11 >>>>>>> From: "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: Wed, August 3, 2016 3:38 pm >>>>>>> To: "Animal Farm" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> -------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > but the radio tx in both channels in the both polarites in both >>>>>>> ends ... >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:31 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >> No, it is just as spectrally efficient as any 256QAM radio... One >>>>>>> 80 MHz >>>>>>> >> "low" channel in both polarities and one 80 MHz "high" channel in >>>>>>> both >>>>>>> >> polarities, as a typical FDD band plan such as you would use with >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> >> configuration with 2 dishes, 2 orthomode transducers and 4 radio >>>>>>> heads >>>>>>> >> (each radio operating in a single polarity) in a 2+0 >>>>>>> configuration. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> You're arriving at the figure of 320 MHz by counting everything >>>>>>> twice. >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:28 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>> We haven't had the pleasure of coordinating a B11 link yet, but >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> >>> certainly seem to be popular based upon the number of PCNs we are >>>>>>> >>> seeing. So, a dumb question hopefully based upon a simple >>>>>>> misunderstanding >>>>>>> >>> of the numbers: I don't see how this meets the FCC minimum >>>>>>> efficiency >>>>>>> >>> standards for wide channels at 11GHz: >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> 80MHz channels x H and V = 160MHz, but with high/low pairing you >>>>>>> double >>>>>>> >>> this? to 320MHz occupied per end? So, to meet the 3 b/s/hz >>>>>>> requirement at >>>>>>> >>> 11GHz your symmetrical throughput would need to be >= 960mbps. >>>>>>> What am I >>>>>>> >>> missing? >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Mike Black >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> Black & Associates >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> 727-773-9016 >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> ---------------------------- Original Message >>>>>>> ---------------------------- >>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] B11 >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> From: "Jaime Fink" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>> Date: Tue, August 2, 2016 4:49 pm >>>>>>> >>> To: "SmarterBroadband" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> -------------- >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> > The PHY is 1733 Mbps aggregate, so depending on the chosen >>>>>>> window >>>>>>> >>> sizes, the top real world TCP speeds we’ve seen are between >>>>>>> 1200-1300 Mbps >>>>>>> >>> aggregate (75/25 or 50/50 mode), or 600-650 Mbps symmetric >>>>>>> (50/50). >>>>>>> >>> > >>>>>>> >>> > For 11 GHz this assumes high/low pairing of 80 MHz and both >>>>>>> >>> polarizations coordinated. >>>>>>> >>> > >>>>>>> >>> > Jaime Fink • Mimosa<http://www.mimosa.co> • CPO & Co-Founder >>>>>>> >>> > >>>>>>> >>> > >>>>>>> >>> > On August 2, 2016 at 1:34:31 PM, SmarterBroadband ( >>>>>>> >>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>) >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>> > Can the B11 do 1Gbps Symmetrical? >>>>>>> >>> > If not what is best Symmetrical? >>>>>>> >>> > Thanks >>>>>>> >>> > >>>>>>> >>> > >>>>>>> >>> > >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
