You've already got the NIDs at all of the houses and then you charge $50 for activation? Why/how did you get every house wired and ready before they signed up for service?
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > Ah, sorry, all of the outside box and splice are already done (NID). > > > > So this is very similar to a CPE install for wireless, only no roof work. > > > > The installer places the ONT device in the NID and connects up the house > Ethernet to it. > > They usually cross-connect the Cat5e inside the house to a port in a > central room, and connect the wireless router there. > > > > Average is about an hour an install I think. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:03 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > > > An ONT install is $50??? Are these tiny Chinese children? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Aug 11, 2016 11:50 AM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> > wrote: > > Partner companies do the construction phase and drops/splicing. > > > > I contract out the CPE/ONT and inside install for $50 an install. > > > > I also contract LinkTechs for larger scale mikrotik programming and > configuration. > > > > I have a local company and other local people on contract for help with > site maintenance and setup and other network monitoring and site > engineering. > > > > Most of my phone calls are sales so I do all of that personally since it’s > only a call or two a day. > > > > I handle front line support since again it’s very few calls or messages. > > > > I do find now days that support and even sales come in from a lot of > different sources. > > I get phone calls, texts, emails and facebook messages that I respond to. > > > > It’s a lot different from a few years ago where it was mostly phone calls > and emails. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 8:27 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > > > what do you pay these contractors and for what work? > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 5:02 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> > wrote: > > Yes? (pops head out of hole) > > > > I am the only employee, everyone else is contracted. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:36 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > > > Yep, ask Sterling. > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:27 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > > > Contractors? > > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > I can run a WISP by myself, (have been for 12 years), no way to do fiber > without any employees. First two good employees is going to cost what? > $100k/year? I'm gonna keep on doing it this way as long as i can!!! > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > A bunch of folks on this list doing fiber with very few employees. > > Wireless is and always will be ersatz fiber at best. > > > > *From:* Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:14 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > > > I looked into doing fiber a couple years back but was too cost prohibitive > and was going to require too many employees. Glad I waited because now it > looks like we can get fiber type speeds over wireless with some of the new > radios coming out. Plus you wont have to worry about someone cutting your > fiber! I really did not want to own plant that was in the public right of > ways. Now i can keep on my plant on private property. > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > My grampa used to say "you can't put 10 lbs of shit in a 2 lb bag"..... I > didn't realize there were other variants :) > > > > The camel thing is used in the bible as a metaphor for something nearly > impossible. "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle > than for a rich man to go to heaven"....or something to that effect. (I > hope nobody here has gotten too rich, we want to see you on the other side). > > > > I imagine Reynolds understands the metaphor, but not the application of > it. He may be right to question it. Google has probably weighed the > options. . > > > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > > Sent: 8/10/2016 1:36:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > > > You can't put 12 pounds of shit in a 10 pound bag. > > > > You can't get 100 gbps in ~100 MHz of spectrum. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: > > I have looked this phrase up, but I still don't understand it. > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel > through > > the eye of a needle. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds > > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM > > To: af@afmug.com > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > > > So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your WISP. > > > > We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in > > the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the best > > RF engineering talent in the world on their payroll? > > > > They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which > > is evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most > > appropriate one for the application. If it was going to cost you a > > couple hundred thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing > > the same thing too. It's the smart play. > > > > At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean "saying > > they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies". > > > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller > > <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Wait until they experience ducting ;) > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Bill Prince > >> To: af@afmug.com > >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM > >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > >> > >> It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least in San > >> Jose. > >> > >> Anyone know anything about Webpass? > >> > >> > >> bp > >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > >> > >> On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: > >> > >> Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as alternative to > >> fiber. > >> Interesting times! > >> > >> > >> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/ > 08/google-fiber-delays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to- > wireless-instead/?comments=1 > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
