And other Utah fiber guys =)
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Yep, ask Sterling.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>
> Contractors?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I can run a WISP by myself, (have been for 12 years), no way to do fiber
>> without any employees. First two good employees is going to cost what?
>> $100k/year? I'm gonna keep on doing it this way as long as i can!!!
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> A bunch of folks on this list doing fiber with very few employees.
>>> Wireless is and always will be ersatz fiber at best.
>>>
>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 10, 2016 12:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>>>
>>> I looked into doing fiber a couple years back but was too cost
>>> prohibitive and was going to require too many employees. Glad I waited
>>> because now it looks like we can get fiber type speeds over wireless with
>>> some of the new radios coming out. Plus you wont have to worry about
>>> someone cutting your fiber! I really did not want to own plant that was in
>>> the public right of ways. Now i can keep on my plant on private property.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 1:48 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My grampa used to say "you can't put 10 lbs of shit in a 2 lb bag".....
>>>> I didn't realize there were other variants :)
>>>>
>>>> The camel thing is used in the bible as a metaphor for something nearly
>>>> impossible. "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle
>>>> than for a rich man to go to heaven"....or something to that effect. (I
>>>> hope nobody here has gotten too rich, we want to see you on the other
>>>> side).
>>>>
>>>> I imagine Reynolds understands the metaphor, but not the application of
>>>> it. He may be right to question it. Google has probably weighed the
>>>> options. .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Sent: 8/10/2016 1:36:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can't put 12 pounds of shit in a 10 pound bag.
>>>>
>>>> You can't get 100 gbps in ~100 MHz of spectrum.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have looked this phrase up, but I still don't understand it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel
>>>>> through
>>>>> > the eye of a needle.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds
>>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
>>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your
>>>>> WISP.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in
>>>>> > the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the
>>>>> best
>>>>> > RF engineering talent in the world on their payroll?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which
>>>>> > is evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most
>>>>> > appropriate one for the application. If it was going to cost you a
>>>>> > couple hundred thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing
>>>>> > the same thing too. It's the smart play.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean
>>>>> "saying
>>>>> > they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies".
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>>>>> > <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Wait until they experience ducting ;)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >> From: Bill Prince
>>>>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least
>>>>> in San
>>>>> >> Jose.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Anyone know anything about Webpass?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> bp
>>>>> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as alternative
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> fiber.
>>>>> >> Interesting times!
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google
>>>>> -fiber-delays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instea
>>>>> d/?comments=1
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
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