I didn't know people that had jobs went to Burning Man.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:26:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
Also, who shows up at Burning Man... Going there, to me, is not what
someone who is working hard each and every day does.
On 8/12/16 2:19 AM, i...@avantwireless.com wrote:
> I think the difference between google and facebook and even more so
> tesla is how driven the people on top are. Google is now in what I
> call fiefdomville, where the execs below the top have built their
> kingdoms and are struggling to stay on top and those above pretty much
> have everything their heart desires and the drive to the next big
> thing has left. FB and tesla still have one person on top that wants
> a _lot_ more for their future and specially in Tesla's case has a huge
> goal far out on the horizon to poke them in the ass to reach far each
> and every day.. Bezos at amazon is also in that camp to a degree...
> As I like to say.. Where's google's spaceship?
>
>
> On 8/11/16 9:27 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> I think that facebook won't be far behind. Let's have this
>> conversation again in 2026.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 8/11/2016 8:50 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>> So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20 years
>>> (before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious.
>>>
>>> "Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are doing
>>> fiber everywhere!"
>>> "Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that model...
>>> let's look at wireless."
>>>
>>> I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those resources, and
>>> yet they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I
>>> doubt Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several
>>> e-commerce companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend
>>> a dime with Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and
>>> it generates $400k in sales, per month.
>>>
>>> Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is compared to
>>> texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to Snapchat.
>>> These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is, that
>>> means someone else can do the same thing.
>>>
>>> Travis
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>>> Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd
>>>> company.. They look at the paper pile before the experience
>>>> pile... & yes they will eventually go down because of it...
>>>>
>>>> On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
>>>>> Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can
>>>>> tell you there are a number of factors that caused them to take
>>>>> pause on the deployments. One was the almost obstructionist
>>>>> attitude of pole owners (read competitors to their broadband
>>>>> deployment). This forced a lot more of the project deigns to
>>>>> underground deployment. In cities like San Jose and San Francisco,
>>>>> there were a lot of requirements that cost more money than Google
>>>>> budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the idea that
>>>>> cities would remove obstacles like that to get them in their city.
>>>>> With so much existing broadband already in place, this is
>>>>> certainly not the case. I think Google thought all cities were
>>>>> going to have the attitude like they had with the first cities who
>>>>> applied for Google to come to their cities (Like Kansas City did).
>>>>>
>>>>> Google was also of the impression that they could design and
>>>>> permit their networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy
>>>>> based on pre-sign ups (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates
>>>>> a huge logistic problem in planning construction especially with
>>>>> underground deployment. This also drove up costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will
>>>>> see from them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up
>>>>> dark fiber, capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber
>>>>> systems where they can. They may use microwave to cross connect
>>>>> systems or bridge high construction cost areas such as railroad
>>>>> crossings. They are looking at wireless to basically go more from
>>>>> the curb to the customer, especially in MDU cases. Existing
>>>>> competition and/or existing contracts within an MDU makes it risky
>>>>> to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a huge take
>>>>> rate within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of a high
>>>>> capacity short hop last mile, but even then they will have
>>>>> challenges with spectrum, interference and capacity.
>>>>>
>>>>> While we all would think Google is a great company with resources
>>>>> to do whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a
>>>>> lot from the inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty
>>>>> somethings with ADD and too much money. They also seem to have the
>>>>> attitude that older folks are too far behind the times to possibly
>>>>> know what they are talking about. Google is certainly not a
>>>>> utility infrastructure company and lack the people, tools and
>>>>> skill sets to be one. They are their own best cheerleaders and
>>>>> they have a dangerous habit of believing their own hype internally
>>>>> and are not real good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside
>>>>> input.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank You,
>>>>> Brian Webster
>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>>>>>
>>>>> They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel
>>>>> through the eye of a needle.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>>>>>
>>>>> So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with
>>>>> your WISP.
>>>>>
>>>>> We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies
>>>>> in the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of
>>>>> the best RF engineering talent in the world on their payroll?
>>>>>
>>>>> They're not doing anything different than many of us have done,
>>>>> which is evaluate the business case for each technology and pick
>>>>> the most appropriate one for the application. If it was going to
>>>>> cost you a couple hundred thousand just to cross an intersection,
>>>>> you'd be doing the same thing too. It's the smart play.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean
>>>>> "saying they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies".
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>>>>> <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wait until they experience ducting ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Bill Prince
>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least in
>>>>>> San Jose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone know anything about Webpass?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as
>>>>>> alternative to
>>>>>> fiber.
>>>>>> Interesting times!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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