One person yells noob and the other gets the admin to ban him. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 12, 2016 8:24 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > What eventually happens to most Internet discussion? > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, August 12, 2016 7:14:31 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > What happened to this thread > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Aug 12, 2016 8:12 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> I haven't, no, because I'm not a teenager or pre-teen looking to show my >> genitals to another teenager or pre-teen. That's what Snapchat is... >> underage dick pics. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Friday, August 12, 2016 7:06:09 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >> >> Mike, >> >> Have you ever used Snapchat? I mean for anything other than sending pics >> of genitals? lol. Its very addicting, almost like facebook or worse. And >> theres alot more on it than genitals. Actually i only seen a genital pic >> once and that was a friend of mine was sending it to his girlfriend and >> accidentally checked my name instead of hers, (both start with the same >> letter). >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> "and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to Snapchat." >>> >>> How people communicate is compared to how people send each other >>> pictures of their genitals? >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Travis Johnson" <t...@ida.net> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:50:22 PM >>> >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>> >>> So... Google is going to do what WISP's have been doing for 20 years >>> (before they were even called WISPs). That's hilarious. >>> >>> "Fiber! Fiber! Fiber! That is the answer to everything. We are doing >>> fiber everywhere!" >>> "Fiber is expensive, and we can never get an ROI with that model... >>> let's look at wireless." >>> >>> I'm still laughing... a company that size, with those resources, and yet >>> they still seem to be clueless sometimes. I'm in agreement, I doubt >>> Google will even be around in 20 years. I own several e-commerce >>> companies (multi-million dollar ones), and we don't spend a dime with >>> Google. One company spends $5k/month with Facebook and it generates >>> $400k in sales, per month. >>> >>> Google is becoming "old school"... the same way email is compared to >>> texting... and the way texting/FB/Instagram is compared to Snapchat. >>> These companies get big, really fast... but the problem is, that means >>> someone else can do the same thing. >>> >>> Travis >>> >>> >>> On 8/11/2016 6:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> > Sorry to sound like not a google fanboy but it's a typical phd >>> > company.. They look at the paper pile before the experience pile... >>> > & yes they will eventually go down because of it... >>> > >>> > On 08/11/2016 03:24 PM, Brian Webster wrote: >>> >> Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can >>> >> tell you there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause >>> >> on the deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of >>> >> pole owners (read competitors to their broadband deployment). This >>> >> forced a lot more of the project deigns to underground deployment. In >>> >> cities like San Jose and San Francisco, there were a lot of >>> >> requirements that cost more money than Google budgeted for. In some >>> >> respects Google kind of had the idea that cities would remove >>> >> obstacles like that to get them in their city. With so much existing >>> >> broadband already in place, this is certainly not the case. I think >>> >> Google thought all cities were going to have the attitude like they >>> >> had with the first cities who applied for Google to come to their >>> >> cities (Like Kansas City did). >>> >> >>> >> Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit >>> >> their networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on >>> >> pre-sign ups (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge >>> >> logistic problem in planning construction especially with underground >>> >> deployment. This also drove up costs. >>> >> >>> >> Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will see >>> >> from them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up dark >>> >> fiber, capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems >>> >> where they can. They may use microwave to cross connect systems or >>> >> bridge high construction cost areas such as railroad crossings. They >>> >> are looking at wireless to basically go more from the curb to the >>> >> customer, especially in MDU cases. Existing competition and/or >>> >> existing contracts within an MDU makes it risky to do a wired play if >>> >> they cannot assure themselves of a huge take rate within the MDU. I >>> >> see their wireless play as more of a high capacity short hop last >>> >> mile, but even then they will have challenges with spectrum, >>> >> interference and capacity. >>> >> >>> >> While we all would think Google is a great company with resources to >>> >> do whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot >>> >> from the inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty >>> >> somethings with ADD and too much money. They also seem to have the >>> >> attitude that older folks are too far behind the times to possibly >>> >> know what they are talking about. Google is certainly not a utility >>> >> infrastructure company and lack the people, tools and skill sets to >>> >> be one. They are their own best cheerleaders and they have a >>> >> dangerous habit of believing their own hype internally and are not >>> >> real good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside input. >>> >> >>> >> Thank You, >>> >> Brian Webster >>> >> www.wirelessmapping.com >>> >> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM >>> >> To: af@afmug.com >>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>> >> >>> >> They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel >>> >> through the eye of a needle. >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: Josh Reynolds >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM >>> >> To: af@afmug.com >>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>> >> >>> >> So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your >>> >> WISP. >>> >> >>> >> We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in >>> >> the world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the >>> >> best RF engineering talent in the world on their payroll? >>> >> >>> >> They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which >>> >> is evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most >>> >> appropriate one for the application. If it was going to cost you a >>> >> couple hundred thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing >>> >> the same thing too. It's the smart play. >>> >> >>> >> At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean >>> >> "saying they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies". >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller >>> >> <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Wait until they experience ducting ;) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Bill Prince >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>> >>> >>> >>> It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least in >>> >>> San Jose. >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone know anything about Webpass? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as alternative to >>> >>> fiber. >>> >>> Interesting times! >>> >>> >>> >>> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/ >>> 08/google-fiber-del >>> >>> ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >
