People hated Microsoft in the 90s for this.
I thought that is just what tech was supposed todo....
----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Luthman
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
Google Apps is great but doesn't generate much money. Now Gmail kind of does
but it's mostly the ad revenue (their premier product).
They've done decent things otherwise but I have a hard time respecting a
company that just uses tons of money to build a network with the intention of
destroying other companies business.
Josh Luthman
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On Aug 11, 2016 6:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
You have a very naive viewpoint of what they have accomplished. Look
at how successful many of their projects have been! Not all will be
hits, but the ones that have done well have done VERY well.
They are also doing a lot of work with robotics, driverless cards,
drone delivery, and a TON of medical research. Google "X" (secret
projects / labs) will.
Many of their things have spun off into their own Alphabet projects,
so that they require each one to fund themselves. Smart business
strategy.
On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
> Who is we? I think Google turned to a garbage generator, look at all the
> cancelled projects.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2016 6:24 PM, "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote:
>>
>> Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can tell
you
>> there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause on the
>> deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of pole owners
(read
>> competitors to their broadband deployment). This forced a lot more of the
>> project deigns to underground deployment. In cities like San Jose and San
>> Francisco, there were a lot of requirements that cost more money than
Google
>> budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the idea that cities
would
>> remove obstacles like that to get them in their city. With so much
existing
>> broadband already in place, this is certainly not the case. I think
Google
>> thought all cities were going to have the attitude like they had with the
>> first cities who applied for Google to come to their cities (Like Kansas
>> City did).
>>
>> Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit their
>> networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on pre-sign
ups
>> (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge logistic problem in
>> planning construction especially with underground deployment. This also
>> drove up costs.
>>
>> Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will see
from
>> them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up dark fiber,
>> capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems where they
can.
>> They may use microwave to cross connect systems or bridge high
construction
>> cost areas such as railroad crossings. They are looking at wireless to
>> basically go more from the curb to the customer, especially in MDU cases.
>> Existing competition and/or existing contracts within an MDU makes it
risky
>> to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a huge take rate
>> within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of a high capacity
short
>> hop last mile, but even then they will have challenges with spectrum,
>> interference and capacity.
>>
>> While we all would think Google is a great company with resources to do
>> whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot from the
>> inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty somethings with ADD
and
>> too much money. They also seem to have the attitude that older folks are
too
>> far behind the times to possibly know what they are talking about.
Google is
>> certainly not a utility infrastructure company and lack the people, tools
>> and skill sets to be one. They are their own best cheerleaders and they
have
>> a dangerous habit of believing their own hype internally and are not real
>> good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside input.
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>>
>> They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel
through
>> the eye of a needle.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>>
>> So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your WISP.
>>
>> We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in the
>> world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the best RF
>> engineering talent in the world on their payroll?
>>
>> They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which is
>> evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most
appropriate
>> one for the application. If it was going to cost you a couple hundred
>> thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing the same thing
too.
>> It's the smart play.
>>
>> At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean "saying
>> they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies".
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller
>> <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Wait until they experience ducting ;)
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Bill Prince
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave?
>> >
>> > It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least in
>> > San Jose.
>> >
>> > Anyone know anything about Webpass?
>> >
>> >
>> > bp
>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> >
>> > On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>> >
>> > Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as alternative to
>> > fiber.
>> > Interesting times!
>> >
>> > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del
>> > ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
