You don’t think 11 Billion dollars being sent to the ILEC’s like Centurylink, Frontier, AT&T, etc. over the next 6 years to deploy 10/1 internet using CAF USF funds doesn’t count as taxpayer money?
Pretty fine line calling a mandatory fee on your phone "not tax dollars”. Mark > On Aug 11, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Thing is, they are not throwing a wrench into rural ILECs they go only after > low hanging fruit. > And nobody has received ANY taxpayer money, the USF is a fee only applied to > those using the PSTN. > And that fee replaces the old AT&T line haul payment they got from MaBell > back in the day. It was a replacement to make them whole. > > Rate or return regulation is 100 years old and has built a great nation. Just > because you did not achieve pioneers preference by starting a railroad, gas > company, electric company, bus line, truck line, airline, or telco, don't be > a hater. > > -----Original Message----- From: Josh Reynolds > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 6:16 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? > > They just need to generate enough revenue with Apps to keep their > primary focus going. :) > > Wait, you're not in favor of them using their own personal cash to > throw a wrench in the works of 1Mbps DSL LECs who have received > billions upon billions of taxpayer money? > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:47 PM, Josh Luthman > <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >> Google Apps is great but doesn't generate much money. Now Gmail kind of >> does but it's mostly the ad revenue (their premier product). >> >> They've done decent things otherwise but I have a hard time respecting a >> company that just uses tons of money to build a network with the intention >> of destroying other companies business. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Aug 11, 2016 6:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>> >>> You have a very naive viewpoint of what they have accomplished. Look >>> at how successful many of their projects have been! Not all will be >>> hits, but the ones that have done well have done VERY well. >>> >>> They are also doing a lot of work with robotics, driverless cards, >>> drone delivery, and a TON of medical research. Google "X" (secret >>> projects / labs) will. >>> >>> Many of their things have spun off into their own Alphabet projects, >>> so that they require each one to fund themselves. Smart business >>> strategy. >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Josh Luthman >>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> > Who is we? I think Google turned to a garbage generator, look at all >>> > the >>> > cancelled projects. >>> > >>> > Josh Luthman >>> > Office: 937-552-2340 >>> > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> > 1100 Wayne St >>> > Suite 1337 >>> > Troy, OH 45373 >>> > >>> > >>> > On Aug 11, 2016 6:24 PM, "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I can tell >>> >> you >>> >> there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause on the >>> >> deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of pole owners >>> >> (read >>> >> competitors to their broadband deployment). This forced a lot more of >>> >> the >>> >> project deigns to underground deployment. In cities like San Jose and >>> >> San >>> >> Francisco, there were a lot of requirements that cost more money than >>> >> Google >>> >> budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the idea that cities >>> >> would >>> >> remove obstacles like that to get them in their city. With so much >>> >> existing >>> >> broadband already in place, this is certainly not the case. I think >>> >> Google >>> >> thought all cities were going to have the attitude like they had with >>> >> the >>> >> first cities who applied for Google to come to their cities (Like >>> >> Kansas >>> >> City did). >>> >> >>> >> Google was also of the impression that they could design and permit >>> >> their >>> >> networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on >> >>> >> pre-sign >>> >> ups >>> >> (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge logistic problem >> >>> >> in >>> >> planning construction especially with underground deployment. This >> >>> >> also >>> >> drove up costs. >>> >> >>> >> Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you will see >>> >> from >>> >> them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up dark fiber, >>> >> capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems where >> >>> >> they >>> >> can. >>> >> They may use microwave to cross connect systems or bridge high >>> >> construction >>> >> cost areas such as railroad crossings. They are looking at wireless to >>> >> basically go more from the curb to the customer, especially in MDU >>> >> cases. >>> >> Existing competition and/or existing contracts within an MDU makes it >>> >> risky >>> >> to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a huge take >> >>> >> rate >>> >> within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of a high capacity >>> >> short >>> >> hop last mile, but even then they will have challenges with spectrum, >>> >> interference and capacity. >>> >> >>> >> While we all would think Google is a great company with resources to >> >>> >> do >>> >> whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot from >>> >> the >>> >> inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty somethings with ADD >>> >> and >>> >> too much money. They also seem to have the attitude that older folks >>> >> are too >>> >> far behind the times to possibly know what they are talking about. >>> >> Google is >>> >> certainly not a utility infrastructure company and lack the people, >>> >> tools >>> >> and skill sets to be one. They are their own best cheerleaders and >> >>> >> they >>> >> have >>> >> a dangerous habit of believing their own hype internally and are not >>> >> real >>> >> good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside input. >>> >> >>> >> Thank You, >>> >> Brian Webster >>> >> www.wirelessmapping.com >>> >> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM >>> >> To: af@afmug.com >>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>> >> >>> >> They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a camel >>> >> through >>> >> the eye of a needle. >>> >> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: Josh Reynolds >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM >>> >> To: af@afmug.com >>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>> >> >>> >> So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with your >>> >> WISP. >>> >> >>> >> We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful companies in >>> >> the >>> >> world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the best RF >>> >> engineering talent in the world on their payroll? >>> >> >>> >> They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, which >>> >> is >>> >> evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most >>> >> appropriate >>> >> one for the application. If it was going to cost you a couple hundred >>> >> thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing the same thing >>> >> too. >>> >> It's the smart play. >>> >> >>> >> At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean "saying >>> >> they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies". >>> >> >>> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller >>> >> <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > Wait until they experience ducting ;) >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> >> > From: Bill Prince >>> >> > To: af@afmug.com >>> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM >>> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >>> >> > >>> >> > It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At least in >>> >> > San Jose. >>> >> > >>> >> > Anyone know anything about Webpass? >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > bp >>> >> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >> > >>> >> > On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: >>> >> > >>> >> > Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as alternative >> >>> >> > > to >>> >> > fiber. >>> >> > Interesting times! >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/google-fiber-del >>> >> > ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1 >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >
