Remember Gmail has ads Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 11, 2016 8:31 PM, "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > Gmail just feeds the search engine.. Actual revenue from gmail... not so > much... > > On 08/11/2016 03:47 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Google Apps is great but doesn't generate much money. Now Gmail kind of >> does but it's mostly the ad revenue (their premier product). >> >> They've done decent things otherwise but I have a hard time respecting a >> company that just uses tons of money to build a network with the >> intention of destroying other companies business. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> >> On Aug 11, 2016 6:32 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com >> <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote: >> >> You have a very naive viewpoint of what they have accomplished. Look >> at how successful many of their projects have been! Not all will be >> hits, but the ones that have done well have done VERY well. >> >> They are also doing a lot of work with robotics, driverless cards, >> drone delivery, and a TON of medical research. Google "X" (secret >> projects / labs) will. >> >> Many of their things have spun off into their own Alphabet projects, >> so that they require each one to fund themselves. Smart business >> strategy. >> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Josh Luthman >> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> >> wrote: >> > Who is we? I think Google turned to a garbage generator, look at >> all the >> > cancelled projects. >> > >> > Josh Luthman >> > Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343> >> > 1100 Wayne St >> > Suite 1337 >> > Troy, OH 45373 >> > >> > >> > On Aug 11, 2016 6:24 PM, "Brian Webster" >> <i...@wirelessmapping.com <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Having been directly involved in the Google Fiber projects, I >> can tell you >> >> there are a number of factors that caused them to take pause on >> the >> >> deployments. One was the almost obstructionist attitude of pole >> owners (read >> >> competitors to their broadband deployment). This forced a lot >> more of the >> >> project deigns to underground deployment. In cities like San >> Jose and San >> >> Francisco, there were a lot of requirements that cost more money >> than Google >> >> budgeted for. In some respects Google kind of had the idea that >> cities would >> >> remove obstacles like that to get them in their city. With so >> much existing >> >> broadband already in place, this is certainly not the case. I >> think Google >> >> thought all cities were going to have the attitude like they had >> with the >> >> first cities who applied for Google to come to their cities >> (Like Kansas >> >> City did). >> >> >> >> Google was also of the impression that they could design and >> permit their >> >> networks and then cherry pick neighborhoods to deploy based on >> pre-sign ups >> >> (in Google terms - fiberhoods). This creates a huge logistic >> problem in >> >> planning construction especially with underground deployment. >> This also >> >> drove up costs. >> >> >> >> Google is still investigating the wireless options. What you >> will see from >> >> them should be a hybrid network system. They will buy up dark >> fiber, >> >> capacity on lit fiber, conduit space and whole fiber systems >> where they can. >> >> They may use microwave to cross connect systems or bridge high >> construction >> >> cost areas such as railroad crossings. They are looking at >> wireless to >> >> basically go more from the curb to the customer, especially in >> MDU cases. >> >> Existing competition and/or existing contracts within an MDU >> makes it risky >> >> to do a wired play if they cannot assure themselves of a huge >> take rate >> >> within the MDU. I see their wireless play as more of a high >> capacity short >> >> hop last mile, but even then they will have challenges with >> spectrum, >> >> interference and capacity. >> >> >> >> While we all would think Google is a great company with >> resources to do >> >> whatever they set their minds to, keep in mind I have seen a lot >> from the >> >> inside. I like to equate them to a group of thirty somethings >> with ADD and >> >> too much money. They also seem to have the attitude that older >> folks are too >> >> far behind the times to possibly know what they are talking >> about. Google is >> >> certainly not a utility infrastructure company and lack the >> people, tools >> >> and skill sets to be one. They are their own best cheerleaders >> and they have >> >> a dangerous habit of believing their own hype internally and are >> not real >> >> good at listening to fresh viewpoints and outside input. >> >> >> >> Thank You, >> >> Brian Webster >> >> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> >> >> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com >> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:29 PM >> >> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >> >> >> >> They may have great RF engineers, but you still cannot fit a >> camel through >> >> the eye of a needle. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Josh Reynolds >> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:04 AM >> >> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >> >> >> >> So, I get it. You guys are sitting around feeling so smug with >> your WISP. >> >> >> >> We're talking about one of the largest and most powerful >> companies in the >> >> world though. Do you really think they don't have some of the >> best RF >> >> engineering talent in the world on their payroll? >> >> >> >> They're not doing anything different than many of us have done, >> which is >> >> evaluate the business case for each technology and pick the most >> appropriate >> >> one for the application. If it was going to cost you a couple >> hundred >> >> thousand just to cross an intersection, you'd be doing the same >> thing too. >> >> It's the smart play. >> >> >> >> At least they're not doing this in LEC style, which would mean >> "saying >> >> they can't do it unless they receive federal subsidies". >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:59 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller >> >> <par...@cyberbroadband.net <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Wait until they experience ducting ;) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: Bill Prince >> >> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:48 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Google fiber going microwave? >> >> > >> >> > It's apparently "too expensive" to do underground fiber. At >> least in >> >> > San Jose. >> >> > >> >> > Anyone know anything about Webpass? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > bp >> >> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> > >> >> > On 8/10/2016 9:44 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Google Fiber considering fixed microwave technology as >> alternative to >> >> > fiber. >> >> > Interesting times! >> >> > >> >> > >> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/ >> google-fiber-del >> <http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/08/ >> google-fiber-del> >> >> > ays-san-jose-project-may-switch-to-wireless-instead/?comments=1 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >>
