That's where we're at, option 4. By default, we NAT everyone for v4. Those who call and complain about issues with the NAT (gaming, VoIP maybe, VPN sometimes), we move them to a dynamic routable v4 address. We're all PPPoE so this change is simple: change it in RADIUS, kick their session, back on with routable v4 address. All our SM's are bridged so the customer's router does the PPPoE session and gets the IPs directly. We do not charge customers who need a public, only those who need a STATIC.
We also are 100% dual-stack throughout, with v6 prefix-delegation enabled at every site. Any router we sell has v6 enabled and is tested at the house. Any customer-owned existing router, if it supports v6 PD will also get a prefix if v6 is enabled on their router.

Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

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On 10/27/16 7:56 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
You can do an option 4 HYBRID if you don't have enough IPV4 for each customer like me. About half my customers are on public V4 and the other half are Private 10.0.0.0 numbers and I plan on overlaying that with dual stack IPV6 and everyone will have public V6 assignment while only about half will have public v4 and the other half will have private v4

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> wrote:
We are doing dual stack with IPv6 and IPv4 available on DHCP for each customer.

I have over 600 IPv4 assigned and about 80 IPv6 assigned currently, so you can see how well that's going...

I would love to just use IPv6, but there doesn't seem to be a good solution for that currently.

Which is sad because IPv6 has been out there for over a decade.


-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 4:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] New Network from Ground Up - How Would You Address It?

Dual stack and Ipv4 public addresses….

> On Oct 26, 2016, at 4:05 PM, Sam Morris <w...@csilogan.com> wrote:
>
> If you were starting a new network from scratch, how would you do your IP addressing?
>
> Option 1) ipv6 - Doesn't appear that everything on the Internet supports pure v6, which would require...
>
> Option 2) ipv6 with NAT64 or dual stack (or whatever would be a patch to make Option 1 work)... or
>
> Option 3) ipv4 with private IP addresses and a single public v4 address at the edges (and use CGN for the calea stuff - CGN which evidently comes with its own set of problems...)
>
> Or is there a better option that I'm not thinking about?
>
> Deciding among these seems like picking which presidential candidate to vote for - They all stink, and trying to decide which one stinks the least...
>
> Thanks,
> Sam



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