I'll say right now that the wall will not be built. Oh maybe they will put up 
a piece of it, but when it comes to funding the amount of money it would take, 
I'm betting that they will back off that one. 
  Strike one. Dismantle ACA. Well, maybe, but what are they going to tell the 
22,000,000 people that are getting health insurance that wouldn't otherwise? 
What are they going to do about pre-existing conditions? I bet they might do 
something "different", but a wholesale dismantling I think will not happen. 
Strike two. Restore the coal industries and all the jobs associated with it. 
Not going to happen. Coal is on a  downward spiral regardless of any toothless 
proclamations. Strike three. Restore jobs to the rust belt and bring jobs back 
into the US. See above. No proclamations by the ivory tower is going to change 
the economics of those businesses. You tell me what a president can do 
  
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On 11/10/2016 8:17 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote:
  
 
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Defend their country? With syria this is complicated. Depending on where you 
live and what your religion is you are on one of the many sides. Many died 
without the knowledge what side killed them.     Our wall was there for a long 
time. Language was the same but … To bring the eastern back online was *very* 
expensive and it is still not done.     A wall seperate humans. In Europe you 
travel without walls. I drive through austria to italy only stopped by these 
guys who want money for travelling over their roads. A spain could come to us 
and work. A lot of Bulgarian work in other european countries. The income in 
bulgarian is  comparable to mexicans.    Germany always pay money for Europe. 
Eastern countries get money until they close up. You should see how and where 
e.g. VW produces cars and parts. But they also sell into these countries.     
On the long run it makes sense to partner with your neighbors. Even if you 
think your neighbor has the bigger benefit.              Von: Af 
[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von That One Guy /sarcasm
 Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2016 16:49
 An: af@afmug.com
 Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics       I dont understand it, we built a boatload 
of ebola camps in africa that are unused, why not stage the refugees there 
while theyre vetted. 99 percent  of them are good folks, they need to get out 
of the warzone. Men of fighting age should be the lowest priority for 
resettlement since theyre choosing not to defend their country, you cant really 
blame them since they dont have the resources to do so though.       germany 
had a wall that isolated its citizens from one another, quite a difference 
between that and a border wall.        On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Stefan 
Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote: 
 We got 1,000,0000 refugees within 12 month. As you know germany is a lot 
smaller than US...  A refugee is not neccesary there to stay forever. You help 
him to stay alive and as his country comes back to "normal" you ask him to go 
back.
 You should look at the situation of these people and consider yourself and 
your family in this situation.
 
 Best would be to help neighbor countries to be able to help, so people do not 
need to travel this far (and it is a lot cheaper to help). In fact there are a 
lot of syrian in neighbor countries which need help themselfes.
 
 But sorry your president will bomb someone to hell and build walls (remember 
we are happy our wall was teared down not so long ago). Did not hear "humanity" 
out of his mouth. But yes. America first. Very selfish. We had the same 
discussions with England. They do not  like refugees, too. They dont like to be 
in Europe. They want to stay on their own.
 Is this where we all are heading to. Selfish countries which do not like the 
others and let them alone?
 
 
 
 > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
 > Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Sam Morris
 > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. November 2016 16:00
 > An: af@afmug.com
 > Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics   >
 > If Clinton said it, that in and of itself is enough to call that statement 
 > into
 > question.
 >
 > On 11/9/2016 12:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
 > >  Clinton said we can support
 > > 600,000 syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the
 > > undocumented population we could migrate into citizens...today
 
 
 
    
  
 
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