There aren't two independent transmitters in a dual stream MIMO radio, just one. So the RF output power is divided and thus out of phase. That's how my pea brain understands it anyway.

On 11/22/2016 4:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
...I'm not saying I understand it by the way. Just saying I have no reason to disbelieve it. If in doubt, turn your SM 45 degrees and see if your signal changes.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: 11/22/2016 5:45:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 2.4 antenna options

So how does the connector distinguish between these antennas and relay information to chip set to "phase differently"? I am assuming these antennas are passive with no smarts.


On Nov 22, 2016 3:42 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

    Phase. Yes, it's built into the chipset. 450 does it too. At
    least the 3.65.


    On 11/22/2016 4:34 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
    wrote:

        I think so...

        -----Original Message----- From: Nate Burke Sent: Tuesday,
        November 22, 2016 3:29 PM To: af@afmug.com
        <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 2.4 antenna
        options
        So if you were to use like a v/h UBNT antenna instead of the
        Dual Slant antenna, They both should work?  Wondering what
        the 3x price difference between antennas gains you.

        On 11/22/2016 4:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
        <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

            Supposedly it makes up for the loss by using the desired
            signal component from both antennas.
            I remember reading the original white paper, and I
            remember thinking I understood it for about 5 minutes or so.

            -----Original Message----- From: Nate Burke
            Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2016 3:24 PM
            To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
            Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 2.4 antenna options

            So you have a Dual slant AP and a V/H SM?  Isn't that
            just losing signal
            for no reason?

            On 11/22/2016 4:21 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:

                They've apparently got some electronic magic that can
                take the received signal on V/H and calculate what
                the transmitted dual slant signal was. It's been
explained here, but I don't remember the details. They assert that you can mix and match safely. In
                fact they started out selling slant pol sector
                antennas and V+H SM's, so they are/were confident
                enough in this to make it the "default" setup.

                It's a feature of their 802.11n chipset, so the
                computation is done in hardware.


                ------ Original Message ------
                From: "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com
                <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
                To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
                Sent: 11/22/2016 5:14:04 PM
                Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP 2.4 antenna options

                    I'm looking at the Cambium 2.4 antenna
                    C024900D004A, and it lists it as being DualSlant
                    +/-45 degrees. Does this mean that the Force 200
                    2.4 radios are also Dual Slant to talk to this
                    antenna?  I didn't find anything on the Force200
                    spec sheet talking about slant.  If you use a V/H
                    Antenna as the AP, can you not use the Force 200
                    as the SM?






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