and the conviction rate? On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
> I'm on mobile so it's harder to get right now. > > See attached, also an interesting note at the bottom: England/Wales only > consider penetration to be rape. > > > > > > On Feb 21, 2017 12:30 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> dont be obtuse >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> ... why? >>> >>> On Feb 21, 2017 11:50 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> you mentioned england >>>> get the numbers from england >>>> 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient evidence >>>> to convict. >>>> do the same calculations >>>> or dont dont provide the above >>>> or dont mention england >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Do you have something to say about the numbers from either England or >>>>> Wales? Both are similar in the way they compute reported rapes and define >>>>> rape to the rest of the G20. >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 21, 2017 10:57 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> not trolling at all >>>>>> >>>>>> Why mention two data sets for comparison and not follow through on >>>>>> both calculations.... unless one is attempting to allude to an intended >>>>>> conclusion that may or may not be accurate. All leaving the door open >>>>>> for a >>>>>> "but I didnt say that" >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> ???? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm thinking it's time for me to back away from this thread. I've >>>>>>> lost perspective on who's trying to have a legitimate conversation and >>>>>>> who's just trolling. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2017 10:50 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> allusion >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One study of rape in Swedish cases covering the years from 2002 to >>>>>>> 2007, done in 2009, showed that Sweden had a rate of reported rapes >>>>>>> (counted in international rape figures) double that of England. 53% of >>>>>>> which where the cases were thrown out before court started due to >>>>>>> insufficient evidence... And then there's that 13% conviction rate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient >>>>>>> evidence to convict. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> mentioning england, then deflecting from it is fully intended to >>>>>>> make it sound like its worse in England. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The left has used this tactic, very successfully I might add, to >>>>>>> lead sheep for gaes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Josh Reynolds < >>>>>>> j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> English conviction rates? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 21, 2017 10:28 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> and you also need to provide the english conviction rates withing >>>>>>>>> that data set >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In regard to the rioting, as I understand it, thats over a guy >>>>>>>>> getting baton raped in custody by the police, to be fair, thats not an >>>>>>>>> immigration issue >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Josh Reynolds < >>>>>>>>> j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Further clarification: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One study of rape in Swedish cases covering the years from 2002 >>>>>>>>>> to 2007, done in 2009, showed that Sweden had a rate of reported >>>>>>>>>> rapes >>>>>>>>>> (counted in international rape figures) double that of England. 53% >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> which where the cases were thrown out before court started due to >>>>>>>>>> insufficient evidence... And then there's that 13% conviction rate. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient >>>>>>>>>> evidence to convict. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017 10:29 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In 2005 they changed the way they report rape. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> First, they count each REPORT, before an investigation has been >>>>>>>>>>> done. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Secondly, they count each act against an individual as separate >>>>>>>>>>> counts of rape instead of one. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let's say a female at a rave reported being raped by 15 >>>>>>>>>>> individuals one night. That would be counted as 15 individual >>>>>>>>>>> reports of >>>>>>>>>>> rape. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Or, if a gay man says he was raped over 200 times over the >>>>>>>>>>> course of a year, that would be counted as 200 unique counts of >>>>>>>>>>> rape. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is also the year to account for, as a rape committed say >>>>>>>>>>> in 2007 but reported in say 2014 would be added to 2014 totals under >>>>>>>>>>> Swedish law. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> In 1992 in Sweden the legal definition of rape was widened to >>>>>>>>>>> often include what many countries would consider sexual assaults, >>>>>>>>>>> which led >>>>>>>>>>> to a 25% increase in "rape" being reported. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It's also important to look at the number of people in Sweden at >>>>>>>>>>> the times give the reports. From 2005 there were around 9.02 >>>>>>>>>>> million in >>>>>>>>>>> Sweden. In 2015 there were 9.78, or an increase of 760,000 people. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also look at conviction rates. In 2007 for instance, less than >>>>>>>>>>> 13% of those in Sweden accused of rape ended up being convicted. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can't look at this from just one side. People need to be >>>>>>>>>>> objective and do actual research from multiple sources, in the most >>>>>>>>>>> unbiased way possible. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017 9:58 PM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Or you could do the research yourself. Based on stats from the >>>>>>>>>>> Swedish government, in 2006, presumably before there were refugees, >>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>> were 4208 rapes. In 2014 there were 6700 rapes. That right there is >>>>>>>>>>> a 62.8% >>>>>>>>>>> increase and doesn't take into account the last two years. Another >>>>>>>>>>> stat >>>>>>>>>>> shows that 77% of those were committed by men who were foreign >>>>>>>>>>> born. They >>>>>>>>>>> also currently have like the 6th highest rate of rape per capita in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> world and highest by far of any western country. There is always >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> article which appears to be in favor of the immigration. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex- >>>>>>>>>>> assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And tonight, there are riots in Stockholm. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=64311 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/meanwhile-rioting-b >>>>>>>>>>> reaks-out-sweden >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:10 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Stop listening to alt-facts, fake news. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Politifact says that is not true. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If we look specifically at sex offences, which the Fox News >>>>>>>>>>>> segment highlighted, there were 18,100 sex offenses reported to >>>>>>>>>>>> the police >>>>>>>>>>>> in 2015, down 11 percent from 2014, according to the Swedish >>>>>>>>>>>> National Council for Crime Prevention >>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html> >>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The number of rapes reported decreased 12 percent between 2014 >>>>>>>>>>>> and 2015, to 5,920, the agency reported. The council noted that in >>>>>>>>>>>> Sweden, >>>>>>>>>>>> when a single case is reported, every incident associated with the >>>>>>>>>>>> case is >>>>>>>>>>>> also reported as an offense during the same year. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The amount of reported rape offenses has gone up in the last 10 >>>>>>>>>>>> years (2006-15), which the agency said can be partially attributed >>>>>>>>>>>> to new >>>>>>>>>>>> legislation in 2005 that augmented the types of acts that can be >>>>>>>>>>>> classified >>>>>>>>>>>> as rape. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "The effect of the statutory change appeared in the statistics >>>>>>>>>>>> such that the number of reported offences in respect of sexual >>>>>>>>>>>> coercion and >>>>>>>>>>>> exploitation declined in the years immediately following the >>>>>>>>>>>> statutory >>>>>>>>>>>> change while the number of reported rapes increased," according to >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> agency. In 2013, a rape offense was broadened "to include cases >>>>>>>>>>>> where the >>>>>>>>>>>> victim reacts passively." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And on crime >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "In general, crime statistics have gone down the last (few) >>>>>>>>>>>> years, and no there is no evidence to suggest that new waves of >>>>>>>>>>>> immigration >>>>>>>>>>>> has lead to increased crime," >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron >>>>>>>>>>>> Crum >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 2:38 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think any rational person who has followed the news about the >>>>>>>>>>>> refugee situation in Europe would have figured out exactly what he >>>>>>>>>>>> meant. A >>>>>>>>>>>> 70% increase in rapes in the last couple years in Sweden is a >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty good >>>>>>>>>>>> indication that there is a problem there. If any city, let alone >>>>>>>>>>>> our whole >>>>>>>>>>>> country, had seen this much of an increase, you know you'd be >>>>>>>>>>>> hearing about >>>>>>>>>>>> it. Swedish authorities took a lot of heat for covering up the >>>>>>>>>>>> number of >>>>>>>>>>>> assaults recently at the Stockholm Music Festival, but I don't >>>>>>>>>>>> think to >>>>>>>>>>>> many news outlets over here even reported it. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2 & 2 is 22, give the guy some credit >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, >>>>>>>>>>>> February 20, 2017 2:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: >>>>>>>>>>>> [AFMUG] OT Politics >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No. He heard "something" on Fox about "something" in Sweden. He >>>>>>>>>>>> put 2 and 2 together and got 11. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/20/2017 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am guessing something happened in some other country and he >>>>>>>>>>>> got confused. >>>>>>>>>>>> Or, better yet, he was spilling the beans on some kind of >>>>>>>>>>>> intelligence without thinking. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:41 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is that what happened in Sweden? Sweden! Sweden? Sweden! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Really? Sweden?!? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/20/2017 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From the news: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Russia's ambassador to the United Nations . . . died suddenly >>>>>>>>>>>> after falling ill Monday in his office at the mission. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We all know what that means... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see >>>>>>>>> your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the >>>>>>>>> team. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
