you mentioned england get the numbers from england 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient evidence to convict. do the same calculations or dont dont provide the above or dont mention england
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > Do you have something to say about the numbers from either England or > Wales? Both are similar in the way they compute reported rapes and define > rape to the rest of the G20. > > On Feb 21, 2017 10:57 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> not trolling at all >> >> Why mention two data sets for comparison and not follow through on both >> calculations.... unless one is attempting to allude to an intended >> conclusion that may or may not be accurate. All leaving the door open for a >> "but I didnt say that" >> >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> ???? >>> >>> I'm thinking it's time for me to back away from this thread. I've lost >>> perspective on who's trying to have a legitimate conversation and who's >>> just trolling. >>> >>> On Feb 21, 2017 10:50 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> allusion >>> >>> One study of rape in Swedish cases covering the years from 2002 to 2007, >>> done in 2009, showed that Sweden had a rate of reported rapes (counted in >>> international rape figures) double that of England. 53% of which where the >>> cases were thrown out before court started due to insufficient evidence... >>> And then there's that 13% conviction rate. >>> >>> 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient evidence to >>> convict. >>> >>> mentioning england, then deflecting from it is fully intended to make it >>> sound like its worse in England. >>> >>> The left has used this tactic, very successfully I might add, to lead >>> sheep for gaes >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> English conviction rates? >>>> >>>> On Feb 21, 2017 10:28 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> and you also need to provide the english conviction rates withing that >>>>> data set >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In regard to the rioting, as I understand it, thats over a guy getting >>>>> baton raped in custody by the police, to be fair, thats not an immigration >>>>> issue >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Further clarification: >>>>>> >>>>>> One study of rape in Swedish cases covering the years from 2002 to >>>>>> 2007, done in 2009, showed that Sweden had a rate of reported rapes >>>>>> (counted in international rape figures) double that of England. 53% of >>>>>> which where the cases were thrown out before court started due to >>>>>> insufficient evidence... And then there's that 13% conviction rate. >>>>>> >>>>>> 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient evidence >>>>>> to convict. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017 10:29 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In 2005 they changed the way they report rape. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First, they count each REPORT, before an investigation has been done. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Secondly, they count each act against an individual as separate >>>>>>> counts of rape instead of one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let's say a female at a rave reported being raped by 15 individuals >>>>>>> one night. That would be counted as 15 individual reports of rape. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or, if a gay man says he was raped over 200 times over the course of >>>>>>> a year, that would be counted as 200 unique counts of rape. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is also the year to account for, as a rape committed say in >>>>>>> 2007 but reported in say 2014 would be added to 2014 totals under >>>>>>> Swedish >>>>>>> law. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In 1992 in Sweden the legal definition of rape was widened to often >>>>>>> include what many countries would consider sexual assaults, which led >>>>>>> to a >>>>>>> 25% increase in "rape" being reported. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's also important to look at the number of people in Sweden at the >>>>>>> times give the reports. From 2005 there were around 9.02 million in >>>>>>> Sweden. >>>>>>> In 2015 there were 9.78, or an increase of 760,000 people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also look at conviction rates. In 2007 for instance, less than 13% >>>>>>> of those in Sweden accused of rape ended up being convicted. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can't look at this from just one side. People need to be >>>>>>> objective and do actual research from multiple sources, in the most >>>>>>> unbiased way possible. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017 9:58 PM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or you could do the research yourself. Based on stats from the >>>>>>> Swedish government, in 2006, presumably before there were refugees, >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> were 4208 rapes. In 2014 there were 6700 rapes. That right there is a >>>>>>> 62.8% >>>>>>> increase and doesn't take into account the last two years. Another stat >>>>>>> shows that 77% of those were committed by men who were foreign born. >>>>>>> They >>>>>>> also currently have like the 6th highest rate of rape per capita in the >>>>>>> world and highest by far of any western country. There is always this >>>>>>> article which appears to be in favor of the immigration. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex- >>>>>>> assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And tonight, there are riots in Stockholm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=64311 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/meanwhile-rioting-b >>>>>>> reaks-out-sweden >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:10 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Stop listening to alt-facts, fake news. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Politifact says that is not true. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If we look specifically at sex offences, which the Fox News segment >>>>>>>> highlighted, there were 18,100 sex offenses reported to the police in >>>>>>>> 2015, >>>>>>>> down 11 percent from 2014, according to the Swedish National >>>>>>>> Council for Crime Prevention >>>>>>>> <https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The number of rapes reported decreased 12 percent between 2014 and >>>>>>>> 2015, to 5,920, the agency reported. The council noted that in Sweden, >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> a single case is reported, every incident associated with the case is >>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>> reported as an offense during the same year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The amount of reported rape offenses has gone up in the last 10 >>>>>>>> years (2006-15), which the agency said can be partially attributed to >>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>> legislation in 2005 that augmented the types of acts that can be >>>>>>>> classified >>>>>>>> as rape. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "The effect of the statutory change appeared in the statistics such >>>>>>>> that the number of reported offences in respect of sexual coercion and >>>>>>>> exploitation declined in the years immediately following the statutory >>>>>>>> change while the number of reported rapes increased," according to the >>>>>>>> agency. In 2013, a rape offense was broadened "to include cases where >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> victim reacts passively." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And on crime >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "In general, crime statistics have gone down the last (few) years, >>>>>>>> and no there is no evidence to suggest that new waves of immigration >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>> lead to increased crime," >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron >>>>>>>> Crum >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 2:38 PM >>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think any rational person who has followed the news about the >>>>>>>> refugee situation in Europe would have figured out exactly what he >>>>>>>> meant. A >>>>>>>> 70% increase in rapes in the last couple years in Sweden is a pretty >>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>> indication that there is a problem there. If any city, let alone our >>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>> country, had seen this much of an increase, you know you'd be hearing >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> it. Swedish authorities took a lot of heat for covering up the number >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> assaults recently at the Stockholm Music Festival, but I don't think to >>>>>>>> many news outlets over here even reported it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2 & 2 is 22, give the guy some credit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, February >>>>>>>> 20, 2017 2:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No. He heard "something" on Fox about "something" in Sweden. He put >>>>>>>> 2 and 2 together and got 11. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/20/2017 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am guessing something happened in some other country and he got >>>>>>>> confused. >>>>>>>> Or, better yet, he was spilling the beans on some kind of >>>>>>>> intelligence without thinking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince >>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:41 PM >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is that what happened in Sweden? Sweden! Sweden? Sweden! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Really? Sweden?!? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/20/2017 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From the news: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Russia's ambassador to the United Nations . . . died suddenly >>>>>>>> after falling ill Monday in his office at the mission. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We all know what that means... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.