dont be obtuse
On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:19 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > ... why? > > On Feb 21, 2017 11:50 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> you mentioned england >> get the numbers from england >> 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient evidence to >> convict. >> do the same calculations >> or dont dont provide the above >> or dont mention england >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Do you have something to say about the numbers from either England or >>> Wales? Both are similar in the way they compute reported rapes and define >>> rape to the rest of the G20. >>> >>> On Feb 21, 2017 10:57 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> not trolling at all >>>> >>>> Why mention two data sets for comparison and not follow through on both >>>> calculations.... unless one is attempting to allude to an intended >>>> conclusion that may or may not be accurate. All leaving the door open for a >>>> "but I didnt say that" >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> ???? >>>>> >>>>> I'm thinking it's time for me to back away from this thread. I've lost >>>>> perspective on who's trying to have a legitimate conversation and who's >>>>> just trolling. >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 21, 2017 10:50 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> allusion >>>>> >>>>> One study of rape in Swedish cases covering the years from 2002 to >>>>> 2007, done in 2009, showed that Sweden had a rate of reported rapes >>>>> (counted in international rape figures) double that of England. 53% of >>>>> which where the cases were thrown out before court started due to >>>>> insufficient evidence... And then there's that 13% conviction rate. >>>>> >>>>> 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient evidence >>>>> to convict. >>>>> >>>>> mentioning england, then deflecting from it is fully intended to make >>>>> it sound like its worse in England. >>>>> >>>>> The left has used this tactic, very successfully I might add, to lead >>>>> sheep for gaes >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> English conviction rates? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 21, 2017 10:28 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> and you also need to provide the english conviction rates withing >>>>>>> that data set >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In regard to the rioting, as I understand it, thats over a guy >>>>>>> getting baton raped in custody by the police, to be fair, thats not an >>>>>>> immigration issue >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Josh Reynolds < >>>>>>> j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Further clarification: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> One study of rape in Swedish cases covering the years from 2002 to >>>>>>>> 2007, done in 2009, showed that Sweden had a rate of reported rapes >>>>>>>> (counted in international rape figures) double that of England. 53% of >>>>>>>> which where the cases were thrown out before court started due to >>>>>>>> insufficient evidence... And then there's that 13% conviction rate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient >>>>>>>> evidence to convict. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017 10:29 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In 2005 they changed the way they report rape. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First, they count each REPORT, before an investigation has been >>>>>>>>> done. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Secondly, they count each act against an individual as separate >>>>>>>>> counts of rape instead of one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let's say a female at a rave reported being raped by 15 >>>>>>>>> individuals one night. That would be counted as 15 individual >>>>>>>>> reports of >>>>>>>>> rape. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Or, if a gay man says he was raped over 200 times over the course >>>>>>>>> of a year, that would be counted as 200 unique counts of rape. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There is also the year to account for, as a rape committed say in >>>>>>>>> 2007 but reported in say 2014 would be added to 2014 totals under >>>>>>>>> Swedish >>>>>>>>> law. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In 1992 in Sweden the legal definition of rape was widened to >>>>>>>>> often include what many countries would consider sexual assaults, >>>>>>>>> which led >>>>>>>>> to a 25% increase in "rape" being reported. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's also important to look at the number of people in Sweden at >>>>>>>>> the times give the reports. From 2005 there were around 9.02 million >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> Sweden. In 2015 there were 9.78, or an increase of 760,000 people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also look at conviction rates. In 2007 for instance, less than 13% >>>>>>>>> of those in Sweden accused of rape ended up being convicted. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can't look at this from just one side. People need to be >>>>>>>>> objective and do actual research from multiple sources, in the most >>>>>>>>> unbiased way possible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017 9:58 PM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Or you could do the research yourself. Based on stats from the >>>>>>>>> Swedish government, in 2006, presumably before there were refugees, >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> were 4208 rapes. In 2014 there were 6700 rapes. That right there is a >>>>>>>>> 62.8% >>>>>>>>> increase and doesn't take into account the last two years. Another >>>>>>>>> stat >>>>>>>>> shows that 77% of those were committed by men who were foreign born. >>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>> also currently have like the 6th highest rate of rape per capita in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> world and highest by far of any western country. There is always this >>>>>>>>> article which appears to be in favor of the immigration. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex- >>>>>>>>> assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And tonight, there are riots in Stockholm. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=64311 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/meanwhile-rioting-b >>>>>>>>> reaks-out-sweden >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:10 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stop listening to alt-facts, fake news. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Politifact says that is not true. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If we look specifically at sex offences, which the Fox News >>>>>>>>>> segment highlighted, there were 18,100 sex offenses reported to the >>>>>>>>>> police >>>>>>>>>> in 2015, down 11 percent from 2014, according to the Swedish >>>>>>>>>> National Council for Crime Prevention >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html> >>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The number of rapes reported decreased 12 percent between 2014 >>>>>>>>>> and 2015, to 5,920, the agency reported. The council noted that in >>>>>>>>>> Sweden, >>>>>>>>>> when a single case is reported, every incident associated with the >>>>>>>>>> case is >>>>>>>>>> also reported as an offense during the same year. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The amount of reported rape offenses has gone up in the last 10 >>>>>>>>>> years (2006-15), which the agency said can be partially attributed >>>>>>>>>> to new >>>>>>>>>> legislation in 2005 that augmented the types of acts that can be >>>>>>>>>> classified >>>>>>>>>> as rape. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "The effect of the statutory change appeared in the statistics >>>>>>>>>> such that the number of reported offences in respect of sexual >>>>>>>>>> coercion and >>>>>>>>>> exploitation declined in the years immediately following the >>>>>>>>>> statutory >>>>>>>>>> change while the number of reported rapes increased," according to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> agency. In 2013, a rape offense was broadened "to include cases >>>>>>>>>> where the >>>>>>>>>> victim reacts passively." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And on crime >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "In general, crime statistics have gone down the last (few) >>>>>>>>>> years, and no there is no evidence to suggest that new waves of >>>>>>>>>> immigration >>>>>>>>>> has lead to increased crime," >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron >>>>>>>>>> Crum >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 2:38 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think any rational person who has followed the news about the >>>>>>>>>> refugee situation in Europe would have figured out exactly what he >>>>>>>>>> meant. A >>>>>>>>>> 70% increase in rapes in the last couple years in Sweden is a pretty >>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>> indication that there is a problem there. If any city, let alone our >>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>> country, had seen this much of an increase, you know you'd be >>>>>>>>>> hearing about >>>>>>>>>> it. Swedish authorities took a lot of heat for covering up the >>>>>>>>>> number of >>>>>>>>>> assaults recently at the Stockholm Music Festival, but I don't think >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> many news outlets over here even reported it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2 & 2 is 22, give the guy some credit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, >>>>>>>>>> February 20, 2017 2:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] >>>>>>>>>> OT Politics >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No. He heard "something" on Fox about "something" in Sweden. He >>>>>>>>>> put 2 and 2 together and got 11. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2/20/2017 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am guessing something happened in some other country and he got >>>>>>>>>> confused. >>>>>>>>>> Or, better yet, he was spilling the beans on some kind of >>>>>>>>>> intelligence without thinking. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:41 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is that what happened in Sweden? Sweden! Sweden? Sweden! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Really? Sweden?!? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2/20/2017 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From the news: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Russia's ambassador to the United Nations . . . died suddenly >>>>>>>>>> after falling ill Monday in his office at the mission. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We all know what that means... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.