... why? On Feb 21, 2017 11:50 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> you mentioned england > get the numbers from england > 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient evidence to > convict. > do the same calculations > or dont dont provide the above > or dont mention england > > > On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: > >> Do you have something to say about the numbers from either England or >> Wales? Both are similar in the way they compute reported rapes and define >> rape to the rest of the G20. >> >> On Feb 21, 2017 10:57 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> not trolling at all >>> >>> Why mention two data sets for comparison and not follow through on both >>> calculations.... unless one is attempting to allude to an intended >>> conclusion that may or may not be accurate. All leaving the door open for a >>> "but I didnt say that" >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> ???? >>>> >>>> I'm thinking it's time for me to back away from this thread. I've lost >>>> perspective on who's trying to have a legitimate conversation and who's >>>> just trolling. >>>> >>>> On Feb 21, 2017 10:50 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> allusion >>>> >>>> One study of rape in Swedish cases covering the years from 2002 to >>>> 2007, done in 2009, showed that Sweden had a rate of reported rapes >>>> (counted in international rape figures) double that of England. 53% of >>>> which where the cases were thrown out before court started due to >>>> insufficient evidence... And then there's that 13% conviction rate. >>>> >>>> 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient evidence >>>> to convict. >>>> >>>> mentioning england, then deflecting from it is fully intended to make >>>> it sound like its worse in England. >>>> >>>> The left has used this tactic, very successfully I might add, to lead >>>> sheep for gaes >>>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> English conviction rates? >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 21, 2017 10:28 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" < >>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> and you also need to provide the english conviction rates withing >>>>>> that data set >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In regard to the rioting, as I understand it, thats over a guy >>>>>> getting baton raped in custody by the police, to be fair, thats not an >>>>>> immigration issue >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 10:34 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Further clarification: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One study of rape in Swedish cases covering the years from 2002 to >>>>>>> 2007, done in 2009, showed that Sweden had a rate of reported rapes >>>>>>> (counted in international rape figures) double that of England. 53% of >>>>>>> which where the cases were thrown out before court started due to >>>>>>> insufficient evidence... And then there's that 13% conviction rate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 6700 rapes X 13% conviction rate = 871 rapes with sufficient >>>>>>> evidence to convict. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017 10:29 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In 2005 they changed the way they report rape. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First, they count each REPORT, before an investigation has been >>>>>>>> done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Secondly, they count each act against an individual as separate >>>>>>>> counts of rape instead of one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let's say a female at a rave reported being raped by 15 individuals >>>>>>>> one night. That would be counted as 15 individual reports of rape. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or, if a gay man says he was raped over 200 times over the course >>>>>>>> of a year, that would be counted as 200 unique counts of rape. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is also the year to account for, as a rape committed say in >>>>>>>> 2007 but reported in say 2014 would be added to 2014 totals under >>>>>>>> Swedish >>>>>>>> law. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In 1992 in Sweden the legal definition of rape was widened to often >>>>>>>> include what many countries would consider sexual assaults, which led >>>>>>>> to a >>>>>>>> 25% increase in "rape" being reported. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's also important to look at the number of people in Sweden at >>>>>>>> the times give the reports. From 2005 there were around 9.02 million in >>>>>>>> Sweden. In 2015 there were 9.78, or an increase of 760,000 people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also look at conviction rates. In 2007 for instance, less than 13% >>>>>>>> of those in Sweden accused of rape ended up being convicted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can't look at this from just one side. People need to be >>>>>>>> objective and do actual research from multiple sources, in the most >>>>>>>> unbiased way possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017 9:58 PM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or you could do the research yourself. Based on stats from the >>>>>>>> Swedish government, in 2006, presumably before there were refugees, >>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>> were 4208 rapes. In 2014 there were 6700 rapes. That right there is a >>>>>>>> 62.8% >>>>>>>> increase and doesn't take into account the last two years. Another >>>>>>>> stat >>>>>>>> shows that 77% of those were committed by men who were foreign born. >>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>> also currently have like the 6th highest rate of rape per capita in the >>>>>>>> world and highest by far of any western country. There is always this >>>>>>>> article which appears to be in favor of the immigration. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/13/sex- >>>>>>>> assaults-sweden-stockholm-music-festival >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And tonight, there are riots in Stockholm. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=64311 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-20/meanwhile-rioting-b >>>>>>>> reaks-out-sweden >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 5:10 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Stop listening to alt-facts, fake news. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Politifact says that is not true. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If we look specifically at sex offences, which the Fox News >>>>>>>>> segment highlighted, there were 18,100 sex offenses reported to the >>>>>>>>> police >>>>>>>>> in 2015, down 11 percent from 2014, according to the Swedish >>>>>>>>> National Council for Crime Prevention >>>>>>>>> <https://www.bra.se/bra/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/rape-and-sex-offences.html> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The number of rapes reported decreased 12 percent between 2014 and >>>>>>>>> 2015, to 5,920, the agency reported. The council noted that in >>>>>>>>> Sweden, when >>>>>>>>> a single case is reported, every incident associated with the case is >>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>> reported as an offense during the same year. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The amount of reported rape offenses has gone up in the last 10 >>>>>>>>> years (2006-15), which the agency said can be partially attributed to >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> legislation in 2005 that augmented the types of acts that can be >>>>>>>>> classified >>>>>>>>> as rape. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "The effect of the statutory change appeared in the statistics >>>>>>>>> such that the number of reported offences in respect of sexual >>>>>>>>> coercion and >>>>>>>>> exploitation declined in the years immediately following the statutory >>>>>>>>> change while the number of reported rapes increased," according to the >>>>>>>>> agency. In 2013, a rape offense was broadened "to include cases where >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> victim reacts passively." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And on crime >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "In general, crime statistics have gone down the last (few) years, >>>>>>>>> and no there is no evidence to suggest that new waves of immigration >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> lead to increased crime," >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron >>>>>>>>> Crum >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 2:38 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think any rational person who has followed the news about the >>>>>>>>> refugee situation in Europe would have figured out exactly what he >>>>>>>>> meant. A >>>>>>>>> 70% increase in rapes in the last couple years in Sweden is a pretty >>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> indication that there is a problem there. If any city, let alone our >>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>> country, had seen this much of an increase, you know you'd be hearing >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> it. Swedish authorities took a lot of heat for covering up the number >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> assaults recently at the Stockholm Music Festival, but I don't think >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> many news outlets over here even reported it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2 & 2 is 22, give the guy some credit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, >>>>>>>>> February 20, 2017 2:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] >>>>>>>>> OT Politics >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No. He heard "something" on Fox about "something" in Sweden. He >>>>>>>>> put 2 and 2 together and got 11. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/20/2017 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am guessing something happened in some other country and he got >>>>>>>>> confused. >>>>>>>>> Or, better yet, he was spilling the beans on some kind of >>>>>>>>> intelligence without thinking. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bill Prince >>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 1:41 PM >>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is that what happened in Sweden? Sweden! Sweden? Sweden! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Really? Sweden?!? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2/20/2017 11:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From the news: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Russia's ambassador to the United Nations . . . died suddenly >>>>>>>>> after falling ill Monday in his office at the mission. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We all know what that means... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >
