Exactly, that's madness. If you're doing a small to medium neighborhood, your nearest cabinet may be 10Km out easy, and you will only have a handful of strands to bring in. If you did active, that's a lot of switch ports, a lot of power, a bigger pop, and more fiber to bring in. A lot more $$$. Good splitters can be cheap (see Chuck's Hogg's previous emails on the subject).
On Mar 27, 2017 5:04 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > So it's really just a matter of how you're deploying. I wouldn't have an > active cabinet everywhere I would put a splitter. > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: > >> Switches take cabinets and power. Splitters do not. >> >> On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> Yes and no. Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you >>> locate the splitters or switches. >>> >>> On AE you battery back the switch. >>> On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM. >>> >>> At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs. >>> -or- >>> You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Josh Reynolds >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>> >>> AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery >>> backup. Etc. >>> >>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON. If you had >>>> 16 or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON. >>>> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON. If you do AE like >>>> Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON. >>>> >>>> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home. The cost of the >>>> cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself. >>>> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you >>>> place the switch and SFPs. Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new >>>> greenfield. The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a >>>> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations. I have >>>> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this. >>>> >>>> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc. >>>> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>> >>>> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to >>>> tackle. >>>> >>>> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber >>>> count.....lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures. >>>> Less junk at the head end too. I haven't gotten that far yet, but I >>>> was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON. You're saying maybe not? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>> >>>> I would be worried that it will go the way of some of their other >>>>> ideas. >>>>> Cheap... you get what you pay for. >>>>> >>>>> FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around >>>>> in the years to come. >>>>> Not an area where you want to scrimp. If you want to scrimp go active >>>>> ethernet. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>> >>>>> Well....I have to build with what's available today. If I delay to >>>>> wait >>>>> for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting. >>>>> >>>>> Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that >>>>> other vendors don't. I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's >>>>> less important to me than having it just work. >>>>> >>>>> -Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>> >>>>> With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait >>>>>> >>>>>> Jon Langeler >>>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I asked the Alphion sales rep about this. He says the optics are >>>>>>> coded, yes. As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from >>>>>>> another >>>>>>> he said in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested >>>>>>> across >>>>>>> vendors so whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't work at >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> is going to be a matter of chance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: fiber...@mail.com >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with >>>>>>>> GPON. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jared >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >
