Ah, ok.

He should use his words and say that then :P

On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:

> Right, it isn't immediate..  and that's the whole point of Ethernet
> drop...  immediate IGP reconvergence.
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From: *"Josh Baird" <[email protected]>
> *To: *[email protected]
> *Sent: *Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:02:48 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters?
>
> Ding.  It's not going to be as fast, which is the point that I believe
> Mike is trying to make.
>
> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Doesn't matter ; if the hellos are dropped completely it will trigger a
>> path recalculate. Ideally not as fast as a link drop, but it's better than
>> running over a shitty path with too little capacity.
>>
>> On Apr 2, 2017 9:46 AM, "Josh Baird" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> You still have a physical link from the switch<>router which remains up.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So IGP path runs over AirFiber path that is connected to switch.
>>> AirFiber link fades below a certain level. This forces Ethernet drop to
>>> switch. IGP path is now broken. IGP path drops hellos, IGP reconverges on
>>> alternate path.
>>>
>>> What am I missing?
>>>
>>> On Apr 2, 2017 9:25 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That feature doesn't work if there's a switch in the middle.
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]>
>>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:41:47 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters?
>>>>
>>>> Unless the backhaul is an airfiber, right? Didn't they add a feature to
>>>> drop Ethernet on disconnect just for this reason, or am I imagining things?
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 31, 2017 10:50 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A switch in line breaks the capabilities of the backhaul to drop the
>>>> Ethernet to force the IGP to reconverge immediately.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From: *"Paul McCall" <[email protected]>
>>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 31, 2017 9:38:37 AM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters?
>>>>
>>>> If I had to guess when someone says they don’t want a switch up top,
>>>> its probably because of a practical consideration.   Its why we didn’t put
>>>> Netonix up there.  We wanted simple.  The “switch” part of the S16 is non
>>>> “thing” to us.  The VLANs are needed only because BHs are in it and OSPF
>>>> needs to have an interface to address, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rip apart and S16 and add Sync Forrest !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul 😊
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
>>>> Christian (List Account)
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 10:08 AM
>>>> *To:* af <[email protected]>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What I keep hearing from customers is that they want to run a
>>>> multistrand cable up the tower and have an all in one box at the top which
>>>> they terminate the cable into, hook up power to it,  and then run short
>>>> jumpers to their radios.   I've heard this from enough different customers
>>>> that it seems like a common desire.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They all seem to want the box to do media conversion and power
>>>> injection and sync,  with remote control and not much more.   When quizzed
>>>> about just doing a switch and an injector up top, they all expressed how
>>>> this was unacceptable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At this point I'm looking at feasability.  I'm not sure if this will
>>>> ever see the light of day,  a lot depends on the amount of R&D required.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 31, 2017 7:07 AM, "Paul McCall" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Forrest,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For what it is worth, when we went Fiber (MST) up the tower, we run
>>>> UBNT S16s up there which is simple and working well, and GPS pucks on the
>>>> ePMP, or Syncbox 12 (or Junior) for devices that need sync.  We have a
>>>> handful of 450s, 25  320s, and a dozen or so 900s where we use the SyncBox.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Been very pleased so far with the reliability of the S16 POE.  We VLAN
>>>> APs in one group and BH’s each on their own VLAN, and bring it down the
>>>> fiber.  If we have other devices with fiber, we bring them down on their
>>>> own fiber (off the same MST).  Of course there is core router with fiber
>>>> inputs only being used (with the exception of the sitemonitor which I may
>>>> have to buy a media converter for just to isolate the electrical connection
>>>> into the router.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, as far as anything up top, I would think it would have to be some
>>>> form of switch, or it would be quite kludgy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Forrest
>>>> Christian (List Account)
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:26 PM
>>>> *To:* af <[email protected]>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've torn a couple apart that use a fairly easy to use chipset.  But
>>>> only available in commercial temperature range.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Some of the battle here is figuring out the vendors who do this type of
>>>> stuff.  I want to avoid switches since I want this as transparent as
>>>> possible,  but I might end up having to go there.  I have another secret
>>>> weapon in my arsenal but I'm hoping I don't have to go there since that's
>>>> more software and software takes time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 30, 2017 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I looked at doing media converters last year.  Not trivial.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 2:07 PM
>>>>
>>>> *To:* af
>>>>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, maybe I should be clearer what I'm looking at.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at various options to build a tower-top box to simplify the
>>>> fiber up the tower with syncronized radios at the top..  Think a multiport
>>>> ubiquiti fiberpoe with sync over power and a gps receiver built in, along
>>>> with tower-top management.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't want to include a switch up top - most people want as little as
>>>> possible up there, and I'd rather keep the whole thing as simple as
>>>> possible - I'd rather just use a copper-to-sfp chipset, but I haven't found
>>>> any which I feel comfortable integrating.   So I need to tear some more of
>>>> the units apart to figure out what chipsets are available.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -forrest
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> RB260.
>>>>
>>>> Haven't had one fail due to cold yet that I know of.  That's a switch,
>>>> so maybe it's more complicated than you're going for.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>
>>>> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>> To: "af" <[email protected]>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: 3/30/2017 1:45:52 AM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I want to buy another selection of gigabit copper to sfp converters for
>>>> reverse engineering purposes.  Ideally some which are known to work well
>>>> and especially any which don't fail in non climate controlled environments.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is everyone using?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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