Does require tweaking from default timers to make it not ungodly slow though.
On Apr 2, 2017 1:23 PM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: I, for one, knew exactly what you meant on the first post... But yes, there is a second purpose to that functionality (at least with the newer airfiber firmware), which is to drop the link when the capacity goes too low... which does still work with a switch in the line. If we're just talking about dropping the ethernet when the link goes completely down, that feature is absolutely useless with a switch in the picture... if the wireless link goes down, the hello packets are going to go away just as fast as if the ethernet is down. On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > My initial words were, "A switch in line breaks the capabilities of the > backhaul to drop the Ethernet to force the IGP to reconverge immediately." > They still hold true and mean exactly that. > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Sunday, April 2, 2017 1:03:54 PM > > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? > > Ah, ok. > > He should use his words and say that then :P > > On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> Right, it isn't immediate.. and that's the whole point of Ethernet >> drop... immediate IGP reconvergence. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:02:48 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >> >> Ding. It's not going to be as fast, which is the point that I believe >> Mike is trying to make. >> >> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Doesn't matter ; if the hellos are dropped completely it will trigger a >>> path recalculate. Ideally not as fast as a link drop, but it's better than >>> running over a shitty path with too little capacity. >>> >>> On Apr 2, 2017 9:46 AM, "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> You still have a physical link from the switch<>router which remains up. >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So IGP path runs over AirFiber path that is connected to switch. >>>> AirFiber link fades below a certain level. This forces Ethernet drop to >>>> switch. IGP path is now broken. IGP path drops hellos, IGP reconverges on >>>> alternate path. >>>> >>>> What am I missing? >>>> >>>> On Apr 2, 2017 9:25 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> That feature doesn't work if there's a switch in the middle. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:41:47 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>> >>>>> Unless the backhaul is an airfiber, right? Didn't they add a feature >>>>> to drop Ethernet on disconnect just for this reason, or am I imagining >>>>> things? >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 31, 2017 10:50 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A switch in line breaks the capabilities of the backhaul to drop the >>>>> Ethernet to force the IGP to reconverge immediately. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 31, 2017 9:38:37 AM >>>>> >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>> >>>>> If I had to guess when someone says they don’t want a switch up top, >>>>> its probably because of a practical consideration. Its why we didn’t put >>>>> Netonix up there. We wanted simple. The “switch” part of the S16 is non >>>>> “thing” to us. The VLANs are needed only because BHs are in it and OSPF >>>>> needs to have an interface to address, etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rip apart and S16 and add Sync Forrest ! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul 😊 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest >>>>> Christian (List Account) >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 10:08 AM >>>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What I keep hearing from customers is that they want to run a >>>>> multistrand cable up the tower and have an all in one box at the top which >>>>> they terminate the cable into, hook up power to it, and then run short >>>>> jumpers to their radios. I've heard this from enough different customers >>>>> that it seems like a common desire. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They all seem to want the box to do media conversion and power >>>>> injection and sync, with remote control and not much more. When quizzed >>>>> about just doing a switch and an injector up top, they all expressed how >>>>> this was unacceptable. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At this point I'm looking at feasability. I'm not sure if this will >>>>> ever see the light of day, a lot depends on the amount of R&D required. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 31, 2017 7:07 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Forrest, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For what it is worth, when we went Fiber (MST) up the tower, we run >>>>> UBNT S16s up there which is simple and working well, and GPS pucks on the >>>>> ePMP, or Syncbox 12 (or Junior) for devices that need sync. We have a >>>>> handful of 450s, 25 320s, and a dozen or so 900s where we use the >>>>> SyncBox. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Been very pleased so far with the reliability of the S16 POE. We VLAN >>>>> APs in one group and BH’s each on their own VLAN, and bring it down the >>>>> fiber. If we have other devices with fiber, we bring them down on their >>>>> own fiber (off the same MST). Of course there is core router with fiber >>>>> inputs only being used (with the exception of the sitemonitor which I may >>>>> have to buy a media converter for just to isolate the electrical >>>>> connection >>>>> into the router. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So, as far as anything up top, I would think it would have to be some >>>>> form of switch, or it would be quite kludgy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest >>>>> Christian (List Account) >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:26 PM >>>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've torn a couple apart that use a fairly easy to use chipset. But >>>>> only available in commercial temperature range. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Some of the battle here is figuring out the vendors who do this type >>>>> of stuff. I want to avoid switches since I want this as transparent as >>>>> possible, but I might end up having to go there. I have another secret >>>>> weapon in my arsenal but I'm hoping I don't have to go there since that's >>>>> more software and software takes time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 30, 2017 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I looked at doing media converters last year. Not trivial. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 2:07 PM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* af >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yeah, maybe I should be clearer what I'm looking at. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking at various options to build a tower-top box to simplify >>>>> the fiber up the tower with syncronized radios at the top.. Think a >>>>> multiport ubiquiti fiberpoe with sync over power and a gps receiver built >>>>> in, along with tower-top management. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't want to include a switch up top - most people want as little >>>>> as possible up there, and I'd rather keep the whole thing as simple as >>>>> possible - I'd rather just use a copper-to-sfp chipset, but I haven't >>>>> found >>>>> any which I feel comfortable integrating. So I need to tear some more of >>>>> the units apart to figure out what chipsets are available. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -forrest >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> RB260. >>>>> >>>>> Haven't had one fail due to cold yet that I know of. That's a switch, >>>>> so maybe it's more complicated than you're going for. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>> >>>>> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com> >>>>> >>>>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> >>>>> >>>>> Sent: 3/30/2017 1:45:52 AM >>>>> >>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I want to buy another selection of gigabit copper to sfp converters >>>>> for reverse engineering purposes. Ideally some which are known to work >>>>> well and especially any which don't fail in non climate controlled >>>>> environments. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What is everyone using? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* >>>>> >>>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 <(406)%20449-3345> | Address: 3577 Countryside >>>>> Road, Helena, MT 59602 >>>>> >>>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> >>>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
