We geberally use spanning tree at the wisp (ok, it's rstp or pvst or some similar variant, can't remember which right now)
It definitely recovers a lot faster with a link drop. On Apr 2, 2017 12:28 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > Well, dropping the radio's Ethernet with a switch in the way means you > have to wait for your IGP's timeouts and natural dropping to take place, > however long that is. The wireless link being up or down doesn't really > affect that as the Ethernet is still down, blocking the flow of packets. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> > *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com> > *Sent: *Sunday, April 2, 2017 1:23:39 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? > > I, for one, knew exactly what you meant on the first post... > > But yes, there is a second purpose to that functionality (at least with > the newer airfiber firmware), which is to drop the link when the capacity > goes too low... which does still work with a switch in the line. If we're > just talking about dropping the ethernet when the link goes completely > down, that feature is absolutely useless with a switch in the picture... if > the wireless link goes down, the hello packets are going to go away just as > fast as if the ethernet is down. > > On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > >> My initial words were, "A switch in line breaks the capabilities of the >> backhaul to drop the Ethernet to force the IGP to reconverge immediately." >> They still hold true and mean exactly that. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> *To: *af@afmug.com >> *Sent: *Sunday, April 2, 2017 1:03:54 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >> >> Ah, ok. >> >> He should use his words and say that then :P >> >> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >>> Right, it isn't immediate.. and that's the whole point of Ethernet >>> drop... immediate IGP reconvergence. >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 2, 2017 10:02:48 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>> >>> Ding. It's not going to be as fast, which is the point that I believe >>> Mike is trying to make. >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Doesn't matter ; if the hellos are dropped completely it will trigger a >>>> path recalculate. Ideally not as fast as a link drop, but it's better than >>>> running over a shitty path with too little capacity. >>>> >>>> On Apr 2, 2017 9:46 AM, "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> You still have a physical link from the switch<>router which remains up. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So IGP path runs over AirFiber path that is connected to switch. >>>>> AirFiber link fades below a certain level. This forces Ethernet drop to >>>>> switch. IGP path is now broken. IGP path drops hellos, IGP reconverges on >>>>> alternate path. >>>>> >>>>> What am I missing? >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 2, 2017 9:25 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That feature doesn't work if there's a switch in the middle. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, April 2, 2017 2:41:47 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>>> >>>>>> Unless the backhaul is an airfiber, right? Didn't they add a feature >>>>>> to drop Ethernet on disconnect just for this reason, or am I imagining >>>>>> things? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 31, 2017 10:50 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> A switch in line breaks the capabilities of the backhaul to drop the >>>>>> Ethernet to force the IGP to reconverge immediately. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- >>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From: *"Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> >>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>> *Sent: *Friday, March 31, 2017 9:38:37 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>>> >>>>>> If I had to guess when someone says they don’t want a switch up top, >>>>>> its probably because of a practical consideration. Its why we didn’t >>>>>> put >>>>>> Netonix up there. We wanted simple. The “switch” part of the S16 is non >>>>>> “thing” to us. The VLANs are needed only because BHs are in it and OSPF >>>>>> needs to have an interface to address, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Rip apart and S16 and add Sync Forrest ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul 😊 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest >>>>>> Christian (List Account) >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 10:08 AM >>>>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What I keep hearing from customers is that they want to run a >>>>>> multistrand cable up the tower and have an all in one box at the top >>>>>> which >>>>>> they terminate the cable into, hook up power to it, and then run short >>>>>> jumpers to their radios. I've heard this from enough different >>>>>> customers >>>>>> that it seems like a common desire. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They all seem to want the box to do media conversion and power >>>>>> injection and sync, with remote control and not much more. When >>>>>> quizzed >>>>>> about just doing a switch and an injector up top, they all expressed how >>>>>> this was unacceptable. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At this point I'm looking at feasability. I'm not sure if this will >>>>>> ever see the light of day, a lot depends on the amount of R&D required. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 31, 2017 7:07 AM, "Paul McCall" <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Forrest, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For what it is worth, when we went Fiber (MST) up the tower, we run >>>>>> UBNT S16s up there which is simple and working well, and GPS pucks on the >>>>>> ePMP, or Syncbox 12 (or Junior) for devices that need sync. We have a >>>>>> handful of 450s, 25 320s, and a dozen or so 900s where we use the >>>>>> SyncBox. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Been very pleased so far with the reliability of the S16 POE. We >>>>>> VLAN APs in one group and BH’s each on their own VLAN, and bring it down >>>>>> the fiber. If we have other devices with fiber, we bring them down on >>>>>> their own fiber (off the same MST). Of course there is core router with >>>>>> fiber inputs only being used (with the exception of the sitemonitor >>>>>> which I >>>>>> may have to buy a media converter for just to isolate the electrical >>>>>> connection into the router. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So, as far as anything up top, I would think it would have to be some >>>>>> form of switch, or it would be quite kludgy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Forrest >>>>>> Christian (List Account) >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:26 PM >>>>>> *To:* af <af@afmug.com> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I've torn a couple apart that use a fairly easy to use chipset. But >>>>>> only available in commercial temperature range. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Some of the battle here is figuring out the vendors who do this type >>>>>> of stuff. I want to avoid switches since I want this as transparent as >>>>>> possible, but I might end up having to go there. I have another secret >>>>>> weapon in my arsenal but I'm hoping I don't have to go there since that's >>>>>> more software and software takes time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 30, 2017 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I looked at doing media converters last year. Not trivial. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 2:07 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* af >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, maybe I should be clearer what I'm looking at. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm looking at various options to build a tower-top box to simplify >>>>>> the fiber up the tower with syncronized radios at the top.. Think a >>>>>> multiport ubiquiti fiberpoe with sync over power and a gps receiver built >>>>>> in, along with tower-top management. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't want to include a switch up top - most people want as little >>>>>> as possible up there, and I'd rather keep the whole thing as simple as >>>>>> possible - I'd rather just use a copper-to-sfp chipset, but I haven't >>>>>> found >>>>>> any which I feel comfortable integrating. So I need to tear some more >>>>>> of >>>>>> the units apart to figure out what chipsets are available. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -forrest >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> RB260. >>>>>> >>>>>> Haven't had one fail due to cold yet that I know of. That's a >>>>>> switch, so maybe it's more complicated than you're going for. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> >>>>>> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: 3/30/2017 1:45:52 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Gigabit ethernet converters? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to buy another selection of gigabit copper to sfp converters >>>>>> for reverse engineering purposes. Ideally some which are known to work >>>>>> well and especially any which don't fail in non climate controlled >>>>>> environments. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What is everyone using? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.* >>>>>> >>>>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 <(406)%20449-3345> | Address: 3577 Countryside >>>>>> Road, Helena, MT 59602 >>>>>> >>>>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> >>>>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
