Yeah, found out last week at ultrasound, in ER since like 3 this morning cause it went south, its a rough deal for her. Sorry, no good analogy today
On Jun 15, 2017 4:28 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > Are you saying what I think you're saying here? > > If so, that really sucks. > > On Jun 12, 2017 6:23 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> kernel panic >> >> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> apparently, God had other plans >>> >>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> If he has any income (especially earned) at all, then yes on the tax >>>> evasion. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/13/17 9:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>>> >>>>> Don't you wonder? Is it? >>>>> >>>>> On 05/13/2017 07:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And he lives with continual exposure of prison due to tax evasion. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews >>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:05 PM >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>> >>>>>> Screwed by whose definition? If he put all that money that he would >>>>>> have paid as taxes under his bed/cabin/lean-to, he may be way... >>>>>> Way.. >>>>>> WAY better off... >>>>>> >>>>>> On 05/12/2017 01:51 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I believe that he is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/12/17 1:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's right. I remember that now because we had to go to a little >>>>>>>> extra effort to ensure my wife had 20 quarters, but then we learned >>>>>>>> she gets half my benefit if it is larger. So it really was not an >>>>>>>> emergency after all. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But for the undocumented guy in the woods, if he doesn't have 20 >>>>>>>> quarters of contributions I wonder if he is screwed? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Robertson >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:41 PM >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, you don't. You have to contribute for at least 20 (if I >>>>>>>> remember) >>>>>>>> quarters to get benefits. And many public employees, such as my >>>>>>>> wife >>>>>>>> (University professor) don't pay into social security at all - they >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> an alternative plan that has the same contribution requirements, >>>>>>>> but the >>>>>>>> money goes into your own mutual funds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/12/17 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When it comes time to collect social security, they take your >>>>>>>>> highest >>>>>>>>> 35 years of pay to do the calculation. If you never put anything >>>>>>>>> in, >>>>>>>>> I wonder if you get any out? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:53 AM >>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've heard tell of a local man working in the construction trades >>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>> was born at home and has no documentation. Apparently he likes it >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> way. He works for cash and lives in a cabin on his parents' >>>>>>>>> land. I'm >>>>>>>>> not saying it's the right way, but it's apparently an option. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> Sent: 5/12/2017 12:29:07 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Social Security didn't have any linkage with the county health >>>>>>>>>> department. We had to send the birth certificate to them to get >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> SSN number. Sometimes that was years later. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:28 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I thought the ssn was assigned even if the card isn't sent... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/17 9:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yep, separate process. At least back in the day when my kids >>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>> born. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:13 AM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> can you get a birth certificate without having to get the SSN >>>>>>>>>>> registered? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 72,73,74 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 12, 2017 10:08 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Until ICE deports them to Syria. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:07 AM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If your kid becomes un-documented and never gets a SSN >>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> just fly under the radar of society and never pay taxes, >>>>>>>>>>> get a >>>>>>>>>>> drivers license, etc? That would be awesome. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:02 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Go to the county health department. They will >>>>>>>>>>> record the >>>>>>>>>>> birth and get you a birth certificate (in Illinois). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 8:25 AM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> we had the existing 2 in the hospital, the first one >>>>>>>>>>> had a >>>>>>>>>>> heart murmur because the doctor in all hi knowledge >>>>>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>>>>> to induce a month early, little runt guy my son was, >>>>>>>>>>> but his >>>>>>>>>>> hole in his heart closed up and he outgrew his >>>>>>>>>>> runtness. the >>>>>>>>>>> second one had an OB who was a man hating believer in >>>>>>>>>>> bedrest and refused to let my paramedic sister get >>>>>>>>>>> her >>>>>>>>>>> stork >>>>>>>>>>> pin. >>>>>>>>>>> The old lady wants to do it at home. My only issues >>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>> are the mess, the minimal risk of complication, and >>>>>>>>>>> primarily the paperwork the hospital handles, I don't >>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>> how that works, do I just take the fresh spawn up to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> police station and get a sticker like a bicycle >>>>>>>>>>> registration >>>>>>>>>>> or what? If I mess up the paperwork does my kid >>>>>>>>>>> become an >>>>>>>>>>> illegal immigrant? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A customer of mine has 8 kids and and least 5 of >>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>> were delivered at their house. They hired a >>>>>>>>>>> midwife >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> like $500 each time. It definitely is a lot >>>>>>>>>>> cheaper >>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>> hospitals around here are charging at least >>>>>>>>>>> 8k-10k >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> deliveries which I think is bull since childbirth >>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>> naturally occurring event in nature all the time. >>>>>>>>>>> Some >>>>>>>>>>> women cant have a natural birth and need a >>>>>>>>>>> C-section and >>>>>>>>>>> sometimes they don't always know that until the >>>>>>>>>>> birth is >>>>>>>>>>> trying to happen. Maybe have the first one in the >>>>>>>>>>> hospital and if it can happen without a C-section >>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>> have the other ones at home? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Chuck McCown >>>>>>>>>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> With a Leatherman Tool, all things are >>>>>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:40 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall >>>>>>>>>>> maintenance >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chuck...that's just gross. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:28 AM Chuck McCown >>>>>>>>>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I personally delivered 5 of my 8 kids at >>>>>>>>>>> home. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:09 PM >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall >>>>>>>>>>> maintenance >>>>>>>>>>> Im pretty sure its the mail man again, >>>>>>>>>>> shes a >>>>>>>>>>> pretty shady letter carrier :-) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ive grown up in an ems family, two >>>>>>>>>>> paramedics, >>>>>>>>>>> two emt B and i was an emt I, two were >>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>> firefighters. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Twice now the douchenozzle OB refused to >>>>>>>>>>> let my >>>>>>>>>>> paramedic sister deliver for CE, note we >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> (were at the time)literally the most >>>>>>>>>>> advanced >>>>>>>>>>> ems system in the US. And this hospital >>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> primary training facility. We figure we >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> tell the OB doc we have this, we only >>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>> her >>>>>>>>>>> for her bloodwork and ultrasound, if they >>>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>>> give my sis the legally required joy, we >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> get a dulla or however you spell it and >>>>>>>>>>> pop >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> kid in the living room, mother nature >>>>>>>>>>> trumps >>>>>>>>>>> modern science in this regard. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There have to be a few of you who popped >>>>>>>>>>> yer >>>>>>>>>>> youngins outside a hospital. Especially >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> guys >>>>>>>>>>> who are joe smith fans. 3 times out i >>>>>>>>>>> think we >>>>>>>>>>> are the ones in charge. >>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2017 3:59 PM, "Lewis Bergman" >>>>>>>>>>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I hope you know the source of the >>>>>>>>>>> infection...if not...awkward... >>>>>>>>>>> Conrats! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:41 PM Darren >>>>>>>>>>> Shea >>>>>>>>>>> <darr...@ecpi.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Even after seeing the stick, it >>>>>>>>>>> didn’t >>>>>>>>>>> quite register until I re-read >>>>>>>>>>> everything you’d typed in this >>>>>>>>>>> thread - >>>>>>>>>>> clever! Congratulations!____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Af >>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] >>>>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 >>>>>>>>>>> 10:56 AM >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: >>>>>>>>>>> firewall >>>>>>>>>>> maintenance____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hers the initial diagnostic >>>>>>>>>>> output____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve >>>>>>>>>>> Jones" >>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is only one infected >>>>>>>>>>> device. >>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>> malicious code that is >>>>>>>>>>> replicating is >>>>>>>>>>> directly attached to the command >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> control node. I know a lot of >>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>> would simply CleanSweep, but we >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> don't feel that is an appropriate >>>>>>>>>>> step. >>>>>>>>>>> There may be an IOT baby monitor >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> gets swept up in all this before >>>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>>> over in December. ____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM, >>>>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>>>> Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As any virus running on a network >>>>>>>>>>> it has >>>>>>>>>>> a pattern weather it be dormant >>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> network at times or not. ____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Identify the pattern and where >>>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>>> trying to phone home to and >>>>>>>>>>> isolate it >>>>>>>>>>> from phoning home. Then Clean >>>>>>>>>>> sweep >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> machines you have control of.____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The worst part of any of this is >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> IOT devices IE(ip cameras,dvrs, >>>>>>>>>>> tempature monitors and others) >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> real threat as they have weak >>>>>>>>>>> basic >>>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>>> that is open to the network.____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Isolation will be your best bet. >>>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>>> will prevent DDOS attacks on one >>>>>>>>>>> front >>>>>>>>>>> but doesnt stop new viruses from >>>>>>>>>>> entering.____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> an addendum to this, there >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>> primay variants to the >>>>>>>>>>> payload. >>>>>>>>>>> One >>>>>>>>>>> tends to be much more >>>>>>>>>>> aggressive, a >>>>>>>>>>> much more roughly defined >>>>>>>>>>> code, >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> all that pretty, but >>>>>>>>>>> ultimately >>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>> versatile and robust. The >>>>>>>>>>> other is >>>>>>>>>>> normally more elegant in >>>>>>>>>>> design, but >>>>>>>>>>> it tends to be visciously >>>>>>>>>>> malicious, >>>>>>>>>>> this is the one to be most >>>>>>>>>>> concerned >>>>>>>>>>> of. Its underlying code has >>>>>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>>>> wars and destroyed >>>>>>>>>>> nations____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:49 >>>>>>>>>>> PM, >>>>>>>>>>> Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So this weekend I >>>>>>>>>>> discovered a >>>>>>>>>>> Trojan virus on my >>>>>>>>>>> network. >>>>>>>>>>> Sometime around January >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>> opted to remove an old >>>>>>>>>>> firewall >>>>>>>>>>> that had met its product >>>>>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>>> cycles end. We were still >>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>> process of deciding >>>>>>>>>>> whether to >>>>>>>>>>> continue with temporary >>>>>>>>>>> firewalls or look toward >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> robust input/output chain >>>>>>>>>>> policies for a hardened, >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> permanent solution. In >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> mean >>>>>>>>>>> time, of course, we >>>>>>>>>>> continued to >>>>>>>>>>> do the upload/download >>>>>>>>>>> thing. We >>>>>>>>>>> had some suspicion that >>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>> was something going on, >>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>> noted >>>>>>>>>>> alot of broadcast storms, >>>>>>>>>>> particularly in the >>>>>>>>>>> mornings. >>>>>>>>>>> The network had become >>>>>>>>>>> particularly sluggish and >>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>> seemed to be alot of >>>>>>>>>>> application >>>>>>>>>>> bloat, initially i just >>>>>>>>>>> attributed this to poor >>>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>>> maintenance resulting in >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> memory leak.____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> We did a basic Netstat >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> weekend and discovered a >>>>>>>>>>> traffic >>>>>>>>>>> anomaly. So we went to a >>>>>>>>>>> professional and had them >>>>>>>>>>> run a >>>>>>>>>>> packet sniffer. We had >>>>>>>>>>> verification of foreign >>>>>>>>>>> code, >>>>>>>>>>> likely for as long as 6-8 >>>>>>>>>>> weeks.____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It will be layer 3 in >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>> case >>>>>>>>>>> but its too early to tell >>>>>>>>>>> whether this codes >>>>>>>>>>> payload >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> be TCP or UDP, we will be >>>>>>>>>>> monitoring as the code >>>>>>>>>>> replicates. This is a >>>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>> common virus, as a >>>>>>>>>>> matter of >>>>>>>>>>> fact we have all had it >>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>> point, probably so long >>>>>>>>>>> ago we >>>>>>>>>>> dont even remember. We >>>>>>>>>>> anticipate The fully >>>>>>>>>>> formed >>>>>>>>>>> packet chain to leave NAT >>>>>>>>>>> mode >>>>>>>>>>> and be fully routed out >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> WAN in December.____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>
