So sorry to hear that, best wishes from The Deep South.


On 6/15/2017 9:28 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Yeah, found out last week at ultrasound, in ER since like 3 this morning cause it went south, its a rough deal for her. Sorry, no good analogy today

On Jun 15, 2017 4:28 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

    Are you saying what I think you're saying here?

    If so,  that really sucks.

    On Jun 12, 2017 6:23 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
    <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        kernel panic

        On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Steve Jones
        <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
        wrote:

            apparently, God had other plans

            On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Bruce Robertson
            <br...@pooh.com <mailto:br...@pooh.com>> wrote:

                If he has any income (especially earned) at all, then
                yes on the tax evasion.


                On 5/13/17 9:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:

                    Don't you wonder?   Is it?

                    On 05/13/2017 07:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

                        And he lives with continual exposure of prison
                        due to tax evasion.

                        -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews
                        Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:05 PM
                        To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance

                        Screwed by whose definition? If he put all
                        that money that he would
                        have paid as taxes under his
                        bed/cabin/lean-to, he may be way...  Way..
                        WAY better off...

                        On 05/12/2017 01:51 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:

                            I believe that he is.

                            On 5/12/17 1:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
                            <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                                That's right.  I remember that now
                                because we had to go to a little
                                extra effort to ensure my wife had 20
                                quarters, but then we learned
                                she gets half my benefit if it is
                                larger.  So it really was not an
                                emergency after all.

                                But for the undocumented guy in the
                                woods, if he doesn't have 20
                                quarters of contributions I wonder if
                                he is screwed?

                                -----Original Message----- From: Bruce
                                Robertson
                                Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:41 PM
                                To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                                Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall
                                maintenance

                                No, you don't.  You have to contribute
                                for at least 20 (if I remember)
                                quarters to get benefits. And many
                                public employees, such as my wife
                                (University professor) don't pay into
                                social security at all - they have
                                an alternative plan that has the same
                                contribution requirements, but the
                                money goes into your own mutual funds.

                                On 5/12/17 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
                                <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                                    When it comes time to collect
                                    social security, they take your
                                    highest
                                    35 years of pay to do the
                                    calculation.  If you never put
                                    anything in,
                                    I wonder if you get any out?

                                    -----Original Message----- From:
                                    Adam Moffett
                                    Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:53 AM
                                    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                                    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall
                                    maintenance

                                    I've heard tell of a local man
                                    working in the construction trades who
                                    was born at home and has no
                                    documentation. Apparently he likes
                                    it that
                                    way.  He works for cash and lives
                                    in a cabin on his parents' land.  I'm
                                    not saying it's the right way, but
                                    it's apparently an option.



                                    ------ Original Message ------
                                    From: ch...@wbmfg.com
                                    <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
                                    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                                    Sent: 5/12/2017 12:29:07 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall
                                    maintenance

                                        Social Security didn't have
                                        any linkage with the county health
                                        department. We had to send the
                                        birth certificate to them to
                                        get the
                                        SSN number. Sometimes that was
                                        years later.

                                        -----Original Message-----
                                        From: Robert
                                        Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017
                                        10:28 AM
                                        To: af@afmug.com
                                        <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                                        Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:
                                        firewall maintenance

                                        I thought the ssn was assigned
                                        even if the card isn't sent...

                                        On 5/12/17 9:16 AM,
                                        ch...@wbmfg.com
                                        <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                                            Yep, separate process. At
                                            least back in the day when
                                            my kids were
                                            born.

                                            *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
                                            *Sent:* Friday, May 12,
                                            2017 10:13 AM
                                            *To:* af@afmug.com
                                            <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                                            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:
                                            firewall maintenance

                                            can you get a birth
                                            certificate without having
                                            to get the SSN
                                            registered?

                                            On Fri, May 12, 2017 at
                                            12:13 PM, Jaime Solorza
                                            <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
                                            <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
                                            wrote:

                                                72,73,74

                                                On May 12, 2017 10:08
                                            AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com
                                            <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
                                            wrote:

                                                    Until ICE deports
                                            them to Syria.

                                                    *From:* Kurt
                                            Fankhauser
                                                    *Sent:* Friday,
                                            May 12, 2017 10:07 AM
                                                    *To:* af@afmug.com
                                            <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                                                    *Subject:* Re:
                                            [AFMUG] OT: firewall
                                            maintenance

                                                    If your kid
                                            becomes un-documented and
                                            never gets a SSN can
                                            they
                                                    just fly under the
                                            radar of society and never
                                            pay taxes,
                                            get a
                                                    drivers license,
                                            etc? That would be awesome.

                                                    On Fri, May 12,
                                            2017 at 11:02 AM,
                                            <ch...@wbmfg.com
                                            <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
                                            wrote:

                                                        Go to the
county health department. They will record the
                                                        birth and get
                                            you a birth certificate
                                            (in Illinois).

                                                        *From:* Steve
                                            Jones
                                                        *Sent:*
                                            Friday, May 12, 2017 8:25 AM
                                                        *To:*
                                            af@afmug.com
                                            <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                                            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:
                                            firewall maintenance

                                                        we had the
                                            existing 2 in the
                                            hospital, the first one
                                            had a
                                                        heart murmur
                                            because the doctor in all
                                            hi knowledge
                                            decided
                                                        to induce a
                                            month early, little runt
                                            guy my son was,
                                            but his
                                                        hole in his
                                            heart closed up and he
                                            outgrew his
                                            runtness. the
                                                        second one had
                                            an OB who was a man hating
                                            believer in
                                                        bedrest and
                                            refused to let my
                                            paramedic sister get her
                                            stork
                                                        pin.
                                                        The old lady
                                            wants to do it at home. My
                                            only issues
                                            with it
                                                        are the mess,
                                            the minimal risk of
                                            complication, and
                                            primarily the paperwork
                                            the hospital handles, I don't
                                            know
                                                        how that
                                            works, do I just take the
                                            fresh spawn up to the
                                                        police station
                                            and get a sticker like a
                                            bicycle
                                            registration
                                                        or what? If I
                                            mess up the paperwork does
                                            my kid become an
                                                        illegal immigrant?

                                                        On Fri, May
                                            12, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Kurt
                                            Fankhauser
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com
                                            <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
                                            wrote:

                                                            A customer
                                            of mine has 8 kids and and
                                            least 5 of them
                                                            were
                                            delivered at their house.
                                            They hired a midwife
                                            for
                                                            like $500
                                            each time. It definitely
                                            is a lot cheaper
                                            than
                                            hospitals around here are
                                            charging at least 8k-10k
                                            for
                                            deliveries which I think
                                            is bull since childbirth
                                            is a
                                            naturally occurring event
                                            in nature all the time.
                                            Some
                                            women cant have a natural
                                            birth and need a
                                            C-section and
                                            sometimes they don't
                                            always know that until the
                                            birth is
                                            trying to happen. Maybe
                                            have the first one in the
                                            hospital and if it can
                                            happen without a C-section
                                            then
                                                            have the
                                            other ones at home?

                                                            On Thu,
                                            May 11, 2017 at 4:41 PM,
                                            Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com
                                            <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
                                            wrote:

                                            With a Leatherman Tool,
                                            all things are possible.

                                            *From:* Lewis Bergman
                                            *Sent:* Thursday, May 11,
                                            2017 2:40 PM
                                            *To:* af@afmug.com
                                            <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                                            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:
                                            firewall maintenance

                                            Chuck...that's just gross.

                                            On Thu, May 11, 2017 at
                                            8:28 AM Chuck McCown
                                            <ch...@wbmfg.com
                                            <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
                                            wrote:

                                                I personally delivered
                                            5 of my 8 kids at
                                            home.

                                                *From:* Steve Jones
                                                *Sent:* Wednesday, May
                                            10, 2017 9:09 PM
                                                *To:* af@afmug.com
                                            <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                                                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]
                                            OT: firewall
                                            maintenance
                                                Im pretty sure its the
                                            mail man again, shes a
                                                pretty shady letter
                                            carrier :-)

                                                Ive grown up in an ems
                                            family, two
                                            paramedics,
                                                two emt  B and i was
                                            an emt I, two were also
                                                firefighters.

                                                Twice now the
                                            douchenozzle OB refused to
                                            let my
                                                paramedic sister
                                            deliver for CE, note we are
                                                (were at the
                                            time)literally the most
                                            advanced
                                                ems system in the US.
                                            And this hospital was
                                            the
                                                primary training
                                            facility. We figure we will
                                                tell the OB doc we
                                            have this, we only need
                                            her
                                                for her bloodwork and
                                            ultrasound, if they
                                            wont
                                                give my sis the
                                            legally required joy, we will
                                                get a dulla or however
                                            you spell it and pop
                                            the
                                                kid in the living
                                            room, mother nature trumps
                                                modern science in this
                                            regard.


                                                There have to be a few
                                            of you who popped yer
                                                youngins outside a
                                            hospital. Especially the
                                            guys
                                                who are joe smith
                                            fans. 3 times out i
                                            think we
                                                are the ones in charge.
                                                On May 9, 2017 3:59
                                            PM, "Lewis Bergman"
                                            <lewis.berg...@gmail.com
                                            <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>>
                                            wrote:

                                                    I hope you know
                                            the source of the
                                            infection...if
                                            not...awkward... Conrats!

                                                    On Tue, May 9,
                                            2017 at 1:41 PM Darren
                                            Shea
                                                    <darr...@ecpi.com
                                            <mailto:darr...@ecpi.com>>
                                            wrote:

                                                        Even after
                                            seeing the stick, it
                                            didn’t
                                                        quite register
                                            until I re-read
                                            everything you’d typed in this
                                            thread -
                                                        clever!
                                            Congratulations!____

                                                        ____

                                            *From:*Af
                                            [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
                                            <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>]
                                                        *On Behalf Of
                                            *Steve Jones
                                                        *Sent:*
                                            Tuesday, May 09, 2017
                                            10:56 AM


                                                        *To:*
                                            af@afmug.com
                                            <mailto:af@afmug.com>
                                            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:
                                            firewall
                                            maintenance____

                                                        ____

                                                        Hers the
                                            initial diagnostic
                                            output____

                                                        ____

                                                        On May 9, 2017
                                            9:52 AM, "Steve Jones"
                                            <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
                                            <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
                                            wrote:____

                                                        There is only
                                            one infected device.
                                            The
                                            malicious code that is
                                            replicating is
                                                        directly
                                            attached to the command and
                                                        control node.
                                            I know a lot of people
                                                        would simply
                                            CleanSweep, but we just
                                                        don't feel
                                            that is an appropriate
                                            step.
                                                        There may be
                                            an IOT baby monitor that
                                                        gets swept up
                                            in all this before its
                                                        over in
                                            December. ____

                                                        On Tue, May 9,
                                            2017 at 7:34 AM, David
                                                        Milholen
                                            <dmilho...@wletc.com
                                            <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>>
                                            wrote:____

                                                        As any virus
                                            running on a network
                                            it has
                                                        a pattern
                                            weather it be dormant on
                                            the
                                                        network at
                                            times or not. ____

                                                        Identify the
                                            pattern and where it is
                                                        trying to
                                            phone home to and
                                            isolate it
                                                        from phoning
                                            home. Then Clean sweep
                                            the
                                                        machines you
                                            have control of.____

                                                        The worst part
                                            of any of this is that
                                                        IOT devices
                                            IE(ip cameras,dvrs,
                                            tempature monitors and
                                            others) are
                                            the
                                                        real threat as
                                            they have weak basic
                                            code
                                                        that is open
                                            to the network.____

                                            Isolation will be your
                                            best bet. This
                                                        will prevent
                                            DDOS attacks on one
                                            front
                                                        but doesnt
                                            stop new viruses from
                                            entering.____

                                                        ____

                                                        ____

                                                        On 5/8/2017
                                            10:34 PM, Steve Jones
                                            wrote:____

                                                            an
                                            addendum to this, there are
                                            two
                                            primay variants to the
                                            payload.
                                            One
                                            tends to be much more
                                            aggressive, a
                                                            much more
                                            roughly defined code,
                                            not
                                                            all that
                                            pretty, but ultimately
                                            very
                                            versatile and robust. The
                                            other is
                                            normally more elegant in
                                            design, but
                                                            it tends
                                            to be visciously
                                            malicious,
                                                            this is
                                            the one to be most
                                            concerned
                                                            of. Its
                                            underlying code has
                                            started
                                                            wars and
                                            destroyed nations____

                                                            ____

                                                            On Mon,
                                            May 8, 2017 at 9:49 PM,
                                            Steve Jones
                                            <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
                                            <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
                                            wrote:____

                                                              So this
                                            weekend I
                                            discovered a
                                            Trojan virus on my network.
                                            Sometime around January we
                                            had
                                            opted to remove an old
                                            firewall
                                            that had met its product life
                                            cycles end. We were still
                                            in the
                                            process of deciding
                                            whether to
                                            continue with temporary
                                            firewalls or look toward more
                                            robust input/output chain
                                            policies for a hardened, more
                                            permanent solution. In the
                                            mean
                                            time, of course, we
                                            continued to
                                            do the upload/download
                                            thing. We
                                            had some suspicion that there
                                            was something going on, we
                                            noted
                                            alot of broadcast storms,
                                            particularly in the mornings.
                                            The network had become
                                            particularly sluggish and
                                            there
                                            seemed to be alot of
                                            application
                                            bloat, initially i just
                                            attributed this to poor code
                                            maintenance resulting in a
                                                            memory
                                            leak.____

                                                              We did a
                                            basic Netstat this
                                            weekend and discovered a
                                            traffic
                                            anomaly. So we went to a
                                            professional and had them
                                            run a
                                            packet sniffer. We had
                                            verification of foreign code,
                                            likely for as long as 6-8
                                            weeks.____

                                                              It will
                                            be layer 3 in this
                                            case
                                                              but its
                                            too early to tell
                                            whether this codes payload
                                            will
                                                              be TCP
                                            or UDP, we will be
                                            monitoring as the code
                                            replicates. This is a pretty
                                            common virus, as a matter of
                                                              fact we
                                            have all had it at
                                            one
                                            point, probably so long
                                            ago we
                                                              dont
                                            even remember. We
                                            anticipate The fully formed
                                            packet chain to leave NAT
                                            mode
                                                              and be
                                            fully routed out to
                                            the
                                                              WAN in
                                            December.____

                                                          ____

                                                      ____

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