Are you saying what I think you're saying here? If so, that really sucks.
On Jun 12, 2017 6:23 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > kernel panic > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> apparently, God had other plans >> >> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> wrote: >> >>> If he has any income (especially earned) at all, then yes on the tax >>> evasion. >>> >>> >>> On 5/13/17 9:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> >>>> Don't you wonder? Is it? >>>> >>>> On 05/13/2017 07:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>> >>>>> And he lives with continual exposure of prison due to tax evasion. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:05 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>> >>>>> Screwed by whose definition? If he put all that money that he would >>>>> have paid as taxes under his bed/cabin/lean-to, he may be way... Way.. >>>>> WAY better off... >>>>> >>>>> On 05/12/2017 01:51 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I believe that he is. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/12/17 1:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That's right. I remember that now because we had to go to a little >>>>>>> extra effort to ensure my wife had 20 quarters, but then we learned >>>>>>> she gets half my benefit if it is larger. So it really was not an >>>>>>> emergency after all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But for the undocumented guy in the woods, if he doesn't have 20 >>>>>>> quarters of contributions I wonder if he is screwed? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Robertson >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:41 PM >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, you don't. You have to contribute for at least 20 (if I >>>>>>> remember) >>>>>>> quarters to get benefits. And many public employees, such as my wife >>>>>>> (University professor) don't pay into social security at all - they >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> an alternative plan that has the same contribution requirements, but >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> money goes into your own mutual funds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/12/17 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When it comes time to collect social security, they take your >>>>>>>> highest >>>>>>>> 35 years of pay to do the calculation. If you never put anything >>>>>>>> in, >>>>>>>> I wonder if you get any out? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:53 AM >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've heard tell of a local man working in the construction trades >>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>> was born at home and has no documentation. Apparently he likes it >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> way. He works for cash and lives in a cabin on his parents' land. >>>>>>>> I'm >>>>>>>> not saying it's the right way, but it's apparently an option. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>> Sent: 5/12/2017 12:29:07 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Social Security didn't have any linkage with the county health >>>>>>>>> department. We had to send the birth certificate to them to get the >>>>>>>>> SSN number. Sometimes that was years later. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:28 AM >>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I thought the ssn was assigned even if the card isn't sent... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/12/17 9:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yep, separate process. At least back in the day when my kids were >>>>>>>>>> born. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:13 AM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> can you get a birth certificate without having to get the SSN >>>>>>>>>> registered? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 72,73,74 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 12, 2017 10:08 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Until ICE deports them to Syria. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:07 AM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If your kid becomes un-documented and never gets a SSN can >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> just fly under the radar of society and never pay taxes, >>>>>>>>>> get a >>>>>>>>>> drivers license, etc? That would be awesome. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:02 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Go to the county health department. They will record >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> birth and get you a birth certificate (in Illinois). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 8:25 AM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> we had the existing 2 in the hospital, the first one >>>>>>>>>> had a >>>>>>>>>> heart murmur because the doctor in all hi knowledge >>>>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>>>> to induce a month early, little runt guy my son was, >>>>>>>>>> but his >>>>>>>>>> hole in his heart closed up and he outgrew his >>>>>>>>>> runtness. the >>>>>>>>>> second one had an OB who was a man hating believer in >>>>>>>>>> bedrest and refused to let my paramedic sister get her >>>>>>>>>> stork >>>>>>>>>> pin. >>>>>>>>>> The old lady wants to do it at home. My only issues >>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>> are the mess, the minimal risk of complication, and >>>>>>>>>> primarily the paperwork the hospital handles, I don't >>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>> how that works, do I just take the fresh spawn up to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> police station and get a sticker like a bicycle >>>>>>>>>> registration >>>>>>>>>> or what? If I mess up the paperwork does my kid >>>>>>>>>> become an >>>>>>>>>> illegal immigrant? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A customer of mine has 8 kids and and least 5 of >>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>> were delivered at their house. They hired a >>>>>>>>>> midwife >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> like $500 each time. It definitely is a lot >>>>>>>>>> cheaper >>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>> hospitals around here are charging at least 8k-10k >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> deliveries which I think is bull since childbirth >>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>> naturally occurring event in nature all the time. >>>>>>>>>> Some >>>>>>>>>> women cant have a natural birth and need a >>>>>>>>>> C-section and >>>>>>>>>> sometimes they don't always know that until the >>>>>>>>>> birth is >>>>>>>>>> trying to happen. Maybe have the first one in the >>>>>>>>>> hospital and if it can happen without a C-section >>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>> have the other ones at home? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Chuck McCown >>>>>>>>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> With a Leatherman Tool, all things are >>>>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:40 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall >>>>>>>>>> maintenance >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chuck...that's just gross. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:28 AM Chuck McCown >>>>>>>>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I personally delivered 5 of my 8 kids at >>>>>>>>>> home. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:09 PM >>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall >>>>>>>>>> maintenance >>>>>>>>>> Im pretty sure its the mail man again, >>>>>>>>>> shes a >>>>>>>>>> pretty shady letter carrier :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ive grown up in an ems family, two >>>>>>>>>> paramedics, >>>>>>>>>> two emt B and i was an emt I, two were >>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>> firefighters. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Twice now the douchenozzle OB refused to >>>>>>>>>> let my >>>>>>>>>> paramedic sister deliver for CE, note we >>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>> (were at the time)literally the most >>>>>>>>>> advanced >>>>>>>>>> ems system in the US. And this hospital >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> primary training facility. We figure we >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> tell the OB doc we have this, we only need >>>>>>>>>> her >>>>>>>>>> for her bloodwork and ultrasound, if they >>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>> give my sis the legally required joy, we >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> get a dulla or however you spell it and >>>>>>>>>> pop >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> kid in the living room, mother nature >>>>>>>>>> trumps >>>>>>>>>> modern science in this regard. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There have to be a few of you who popped >>>>>>>>>> yer >>>>>>>>>> youngins outside a hospital. Especially >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> guys >>>>>>>>>> who are joe smith fans. 3 times out i >>>>>>>>>> think we >>>>>>>>>> are the ones in charge. >>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2017 3:59 PM, "Lewis Bergman" >>>>>>>>>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I hope you know the source of the >>>>>>>>>> infection...if not...awkward... >>>>>>>>>> Conrats! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:41 PM Darren >>>>>>>>>> Shea >>>>>>>>>> <darr...@ecpi.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Even after seeing the stick, it >>>>>>>>>> didn’t >>>>>>>>>> quite register until I re-read >>>>>>>>>> everything you’d typed in this >>>>>>>>>> thread - >>>>>>>>>> clever! Congratulations!____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *From:*Af >>>>>>>>>> [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] >>>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 >>>>>>>>>> 10:56 AM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: >>>>>>>>>> firewall >>>>>>>>>> maintenance____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hers the initial diagnostic >>>>>>>>>> output____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve >>>>>>>>>> Jones" >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There is only one infected device. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> malicious code that is >>>>>>>>>> replicating is >>>>>>>>>> directly attached to the command >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> control node. I know a lot of >>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>> would simply CleanSweep, but we >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> don't feel that is an appropriate >>>>>>>>>> step. >>>>>>>>>> There may be an IOT baby monitor >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> gets swept up in all this before >>>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>>> over in December. ____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM, >>>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>>> Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> As any virus running on a network >>>>>>>>>> it has >>>>>>>>>> a pattern weather it be dormant on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> network at times or not. ____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Identify the pattern and where it >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> trying to phone home to and >>>>>>>>>> isolate it >>>>>>>>>> from phoning home. Then Clean >>>>>>>>>> sweep >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> machines you have control of.____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The worst part of any of this is >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> IOT devices IE(ip cameras,dvrs, >>>>>>>>>> tempature monitors and others) are >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> real threat as they have weak >>>>>>>>>> basic >>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>> that is open to the network.____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Isolation will be your best bet. >>>>>>>>>> This >>>>>>>>>> will prevent DDOS attacks on one >>>>>>>>>> front >>>>>>>>>> but doesnt stop new viruses from >>>>>>>>>> entering.____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/2017 10:34 PM, Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> an addendum to this, there are >>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>> primay variants to the >>>>>>>>>> payload. >>>>>>>>>> One >>>>>>>>>> tends to be much more >>>>>>>>>> aggressive, a >>>>>>>>>> much more roughly defined >>>>>>>>>> code, >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> all that pretty, but >>>>>>>>>> ultimately >>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>> versatile and robust. The >>>>>>>>>> other is >>>>>>>>>> normally more elegant in >>>>>>>>>> design, but >>>>>>>>>> it tends to be visciously >>>>>>>>>> malicious, >>>>>>>>>> this is the one to be most >>>>>>>>>> concerned >>>>>>>>>> of. Its underlying code has >>>>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>>> wars and destroyed nations____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:49 >>>>>>>>>> PM, >>>>>>>>>> Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So this weekend I >>>>>>>>>> discovered a >>>>>>>>>> Trojan virus on my >>>>>>>>>> network. >>>>>>>>>> Sometime around January we >>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>> opted to remove an old >>>>>>>>>> firewall >>>>>>>>>> that had met its product >>>>>>>>>> life >>>>>>>>>> cycles end. We were still >>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>> process of deciding >>>>>>>>>> whether to >>>>>>>>>> continue with temporary >>>>>>>>>> firewalls or look toward >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> robust input/output chain >>>>>>>>>> policies for a hardened, >>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> permanent solution. In the >>>>>>>>>> mean >>>>>>>>>> time, of course, we >>>>>>>>>> continued to >>>>>>>>>> do the upload/download >>>>>>>>>> thing. We >>>>>>>>>> had some suspicion that >>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>> was something going on, we >>>>>>>>>> noted >>>>>>>>>> alot of broadcast storms, >>>>>>>>>> particularly in the >>>>>>>>>> mornings. >>>>>>>>>> The network had become >>>>>>>>>> particularly sluggish and >>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>> seemed to be alot of >>>>>>>>>> application >>>>>>>>>> bloat, initially i just >>>>>>>>>> attributed this to poor >>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>> maintenance resulting in a >>>>>>>>>> memory leak.____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We did a basic Netstat >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>> weekend and discovered a >>>>>>>>>> traffic >>>>>>>>>> anomaly. So we went to a >>>>>>>>>> professional and had them >>>>>>>>>> run a >>>>>>>>>> packet sniffer. We had >>>>>>>>>> verification of foreign >>>>>>>>>> code, >>>>>>>>>> likely for as long as 6-8 >>>>>>>>>> weeks.____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It will be layer 3 in this >>>>>>>>>> case >>>>>>>>>> but its too early to tell >>>>>>>>>> whether this codes payload >>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>> be TCP or UDP, we will be >>>>>>>>>> monitoring as the code >>>>>>>>>> replicates. This is a >>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>> common virus, as a matter >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> fact we have all had it at >>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>> point, probably so long >>>>>>>>>> ago we >>>>>>>>>> dont even remember. We >>>>>>>>>> anticipate The fully >>>>>>>>>> formed >>>>>>>>>> packet chain to leave NAT >>>>>>>>>> mode >>>>>>>>>> and be fully routed out to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> WAN in December.____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
