I'm sorry to hear that :( - Josh
On Jun 15, 2017 9:28 AM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, found out last week at ultrasound, in ER since like 3 this morning > cause it went south, its a rough deal for her. Sorry, no good analogy today > > On Jun 15, 2017 4:28 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < > li...@packetflux.com> wrote: > >> Are you saying what I think you're saying here? >> >> If so, that really sucks. >> >> On Jun 12, 2017 6:23 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> kernel panic >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> apparently, God had other plans >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 12:27 PM, Bruce Robertson <br...@pooh.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If he has any income (especially earned) at all, then yes on the tax >>>>> evasion. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5/13/17 9:43 AM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Don't you wonder? Is it? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 05/13/2017 07:58 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And he lives with continual exposure of prison due to tax evasion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert Andrews >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 4:05 PM >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Screwed by whose definition? If he put all that money that he would >>>>>>> have paid as taxes under his bed/cabin/lean-to, he may be way... >>>>>>> Way.. >>>>>>> WAY better off... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 05/12/2017 01:51 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I believe that he is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 5/12/17 1:44 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's right. I remember that now because we had to go to a little >>>>>>>>> extra effort to ensure my wife had 20 quarters, but then we learned >>>>>>>>> she gets half my benefit if it is larger. So it really was not an >>>>>>>>> emergency after all. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But for the undocumented guy in the woods, if he doesn't have 20 >>>>>>>>> quarters of contributions I wonder if he is screwed? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Robertson >>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:41 PM >>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, you don't. You have to contribute for at least 20 (if I >>>>>>>>> remember) >>>>>>>>> quarters to get benefits. And many public employees, such as my >>>>>>>>> wife >>>>>>>>> (University professor) don't pay into social security at all - >>>>>>>>> they have >>>>>>>>> an alternative plan that has the same contribution requirements, >>>>>>>>> but the >>>>>>>>> money goes into your own mutual funds. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 5/12/17 1:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When it comes time to collect social security, they take your >>>>>>>>>> highest >>>>>>>>>> 35 years of pay to do the calculation. If you never put anything >>>>>>>>>> in, >>>>>>>>>> I wonder if you get any out? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:53 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've heard tell of a local man working in the construction trades >>>>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>>>> was born at home and has no documentation. Apparently he likes >>>>>>>>>> it that >>>>>>>>>> way. He works for cash and lives in a cabin on his parents' >>>>>>>>>> land. I'm >>>>>>>>>> not saying it's the right way, but it's apparently an option. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 5/12/2017 12:29:07 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Social Security didn't have any linkage with the county health >>>>>>>>>>> department. We had to send the birth certificate to them to get >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> SSN number. Sometimes that was years later. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Robert >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 10:28 AM >>>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I thought the ssn was assigned even if the card isn't sent... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 5/12/17 9:16 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yep, separate process. At least back in the day when my kids >>>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>> born. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:13 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> can you get a birth certificate without having to get the SSN >>>>>>>>>>>> registered? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Jaime Solorza >>>>>>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 72,73,74 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 12, 2017 10:08 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Until ICE deports them to Syria. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 10:07 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If your kid becomes un-documented and never gets a SSN >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>> just fly under the radar of society and never pay taxes, >>>>>>>>>>>> get a >>>>>>>>>>>> drivers license, etc? That would be awesome. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 11:02 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Go to the county health department. They will >>>>>>>>>>>> record the >>>>>>>>>>>> birth and get you a birth certificate (in Illinois). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2017 8:25 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall maintenance >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> we had the existing 2 in the hospital, the first one >>>>>>>>>>>> had a >>>>>>>>>>>> heart murmur because the doctor in all hi knowledge >>>>>>>>>>>> decided >>>>>>>>>>>> to induce a month early, little runt guy my son was, >>>>>>>>>>>> but his >>>>>>>>>>>> hole in his heart closed up and he outgrew his >>>>>>>>>>>> runtness. the >>>>>>>>>>>> second one had an OB who was a man hating believer >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> bedrest and refused to let my paramedic sister get >>>>>>>>>>>> her >>>>>>>>>>>> stork >>>>>>>>>>>> pin. >>>>>>>>>>>> The old lady wants to do it at home. My only issues >>>>>>>>>>>> with it >>>>>>>>>>>> are the mess, the minimal risk of complication, and >>>>>>>>>>>> primarily the paperwork the hospital handles, I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>> know >>>>>>>>>>>> how that works, do I just take the fresh spawn up >>>>>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>>>>> police station and get a sticker like a bicycle >>>>>>>>>>>> registration >>>>>>>>>>>> or what? If I mess up the paperwork does my kid >>>>>>>>>>>> become an >>>>>>>>>>>> illegal immigrant? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 7:42 AM, Kurt Fankhauser >>>>>>>>>>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A customer of mine has 8 kids and and least 5 >>>>>>>>>>>> of them >>>>>>>>>>>> were delivered at their house. They hired a >>>>>>>>>>>> midwife >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> like $500 each time. It definitely is a lot >>>>>>>>>>>> cheaper >>>>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>>> hospitals around here are charging at least >>>>>>>>>>>> 8k-10k >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> deliveries which I think is bull since >>>>>>>>>>>> childbirth >>>>>>>>>>>> is a >>>>>>>>>>>> naturally occurring event in nature all the >>>>>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>>>>> Some >>>>>>>>>>>> women cant have a natural birth and need a >>>>>>>>>>>> C-section and >>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes they don't always know that until the >>>>>>>>>>>> birth is >>>>>>>>>>>> trying to happen. Maybe have the first one in >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> hospital and if it can happen without a >>>>>>>>>>>> C-section >>>>>>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>>>>>> have the other ones at home? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Chuck McCown >>>>>>>>>>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> With a Leatherman Tool, all things are >>>>>>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Lewis Bergman >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 11, 2017 2:40 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall >>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chuck...that's just gross. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:28 AM Chuck McCown >>>>>>>>>>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I personally delivered 5 of my 8 kids at >>>>>>>>>>>> home. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:09 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: firewall >>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance >>>>>>>>>>>> Im pretty sure its the mail man again, >>>>>>>>>>>> shes a >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty shady letter carrier :-) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ive grown up in an ems family, two >>>>>>>>>>>> paramedics, >>>>>>>>>>>> two emt B and i was an emt I, two were >>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>> firefighters. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Twice now the douchenozzle OB refused to >>>>>>>>>>>> let my >>>>>>>>>>>> paramedic sister deliver for CE, note >>>>>>>>>>>> we are >>>>>>>>>>>> (were at the time)literally the most >>>>>>>>>>>> advanced >>>>>>>>>>>> ems system in the US. And this hospital >>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> primary training facility. We figure we >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> tell the OB doc we have this, we only >>>>>>>>>>>> need >>>>>>>>>>>> her >>>>>>>>>>>> for her bloodwork and ultrasound, if >>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>> wont >>>>>>>>>>>> give my sis the legally required joy, >>>>>>>>>>>> we will >>>>>>>>>>>> get a dulla or however you spell it and >>>>>>>>>>>> pop >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> kid in the living room, mother nature >>>>>>>>>>>> trumps >>>>>>>>>>>> modern science in this regard. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There have to be a few of you who >>>>>>>>>>>> popped yer >>>>>>>>>>>> youngins outside a hospital. Especially >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> guys >>>>>>>>>>>> who are joe smith fans. 3 times out i >>>>>>>>>>>> think we >>>>>>>>>>>> are the ones in charge. >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2017 3:59 PM, "Lewis Bergman" >>>>>>>>>>>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I hope you know the source of the >>>>>>>>>>>> infection...if not...awkward... >>>>>>>>>>>> Conrats! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:41 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> Darren >>>>>>>>>>>> Shea >>>>>>>>>>>> <darr...@ecpi.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Even after seeing the stick, it >>>>>>>>>>>> didn’t >>>>>>>>>>>> quite register until I re-read >>>>>>>>>>>> everything you’d typed in this >>>>>>>>>>>> thread - >>>>>>>>>>>> clever! Congratulations!____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *From:*Af >>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] >>>>>>>>>>>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 >>>>>>>>>>>> 10:56 AM >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: >>>>>>>>>>>> firewall >>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hers the initial diagnostic >>>>>>>>>>>> output____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 9, 2017 9:52 AM, "Steve >>>>>>>>>>>> Jones" >>>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> There is only one infected >>>>>>>>>>>> device. >>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>> malicious code that is >>>>>>>>>>>> replicating is >>>>>>>>>>>> directly attached to the >>>>>>>>>>>> command and >>>>>>>>>>>> control node. I know a lot of >>>>>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>>>>> would simply CleanSweep, but we >>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> don't feel that is an >>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate >>>>>>>>>>>> step. >>>>>>>>>>>> There may be an IOT baby >>>>>>>>>>>> monitor that >>>>>>>>>>>> gets swept up in all this >>>>>>>>>>>> before its >>>>>>>>>>>> over in December. ____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:34 AM, >>>>>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>>>>> Milholen <dmilho...@wletc.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As any virus running on a >>>>>>>>>>>> network >>>>>>>>>>>> it has >>>>>>>>>>>> a pattern weather it be dormant >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> network at times or not. ____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Identify the pattern and where >>>>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>>>> trying to phone home to and >>>>>>>>>>>> isolate it >>>>>>>>>>>> from phoning home. Then Clean >>>>>>>>>>>> sweep >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> machines you have control >>>>>>>>>>>> of.____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The worst part of any of this >>>>>>>>>>>> is that >>>>>>>>>>>> IOT devices IE(ip cameras,dvrs, >>>>>>>>>>>> tempature monitors and others) >>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> real threat as they have weak >>>>>>>>>>>> basic >>>>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>>>> that is open to the network.____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Isolation will be your best >>>>>>>>>>>> bet. This >>>>>>>>>>>> will prevent DDOS attacks on one >>>>>>>>>>>> front >>>>>>>>>>>> but doesnt stop new viruses from >>>>>>>>>>>> entering.____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/8/2017 10:34 PM, Steve >>>>>>>>>>>> Jones >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> an addendum to this, there >>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> two >>>>>>>>>>>> primay variants to the >>>>>>>>>>>> payload. >>>>>>>>>>>> One >>>>>>>>>>>> tends to be much more >>>>>>>>>>>> aggressive, a >>>>>>>>>>>> much more roughly defined >>>>>>>>>>>> code, >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> all that pretty, but >>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately >>>>>>>>>>>> very >>>>>>>>>>>> versatile and robust. The >>>>>>>>>>>> other is >>>>>>>>>>>> normally more elegant in >>>>>>>>>>>> design, but >>>>>>>>>>>> it tends to be visciously >>>>>>>>>>>> malicious, >>>>>>>>>>>> this is the one to be most >>>>>>>>>>>> concerned >>>>>>>>>>>> of. Its underlying code has >>>>>>>>>>>> started >>>>>>>>>>>> wars and destroyed >>>>>>>>>>>> nations____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 9:49 >>>>>>>>>>>> PM, >>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Jones >>>>>>>>>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So this weekend I >>>>>>>>>>>> discovered a >>>>>>>>>>>> Trojan virus on my >>>>>>>>>>>> network. >>>>>>>>>>>> Sometime around January >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>> opted to remove an old >>>>>>>>>>>> firewall >>>>>>>>>>>> that had met its >>>>>>>>>>>> product life >>>>>>>>>>>> cycles end. We were >>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>> in the >>>>>>>>>>>> process of deciding >>>>>>>>>>>> whether to >>>>>>>>>>>> continue with temporary >>>>>>>>>>>> firewalls or look >>>>>>>>>>>> toward more >>>>>>>>>>>> robust input/output >>>>>>>>>>>> chain >>>>>>>>>>>> policies for a >>>>>>>>>>>> hardened, more >>>>>>>>>>>> permanent solution. In >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> mean >>>>>>>>>>>> time, of course, we >>>>>>>>>>>> continued to >>>>>>>>>>>> do the upload/download >>>>>>>>>>>> thing. We >>>>>>>>>>>> had some suspicion that >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> was something going on, >>>>>>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>>>>>> noted >>>>>>>>>>>> alot of broadcast >>>>>>>>>>>> storms, >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly in the >>>>>>>>>>>> mornings. >>>>>>>>>>>> The network had become >>>>>>>>>>>> particularly sluggish >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> seemed to be alot of >>>>>>>>>>>> application >>>>>>>>>>>> bloat, initially i just >>>>>>>>>>>> attributed this to poor >>>>>>>>>>>> code >>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance resulting >>>>>>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>>>>>> memory leak.____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We did a basic Netstat >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> weekend and discovered a >>>>>>>>>>>> traffic >>>>>>>>>>>> anomaly. So we went to a >>>>>>>>>>>> professional and had >>>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>> run a >>>>>>>>>>>> packet sniffer. We had >>>>>>>>>>>> verification of foreign >>>>>>>>>>>> code, >>>>>>>>>>>> likely for as long as >>>>>>>>>>>> 6-8 >>>>>>>>>>>> weeks.____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It will be layer 3 in >>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> case >>>>>>>>>>>> but its too early to >>>>>>>>>>>> tell >>>>>>>>>>>> whether this codes >>>>>>>>>>>> payload >>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>> be TCP or UDP, we will >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> monitoring as the code >>>>>>>>>>>> replicates. This is a >>>>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>>> common virus, as a >>>>>>>>>>>> matter of >>>>>>>>>>>> fact we have all had it >>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>>>>> point, probably so long >>>>>>>>>>>> ago we >>>>>>>>>>>> dont even remember. We >>>>>>>>>>>> anticipate The fully >>>>>>>>>>>> formed >>>>>>>>>>>> packet chain to leave >>>>>>>>>>>> NAT >>>>>>>>>>>> mode >>>>>>>>>>>> and be fully routed out >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> WAN in December.____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> ____ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>
