Its on me for not better reviewing, I had an assumption in my head that
licensed gear was required to have ATPC

Will I be dicking around with power constantly on these? One of the links I
dont see being an issue, we went on the razor thin edge of 9s, i think 4 at
full capacity, to stay with 2' antennas. but the other, which is a similar
path to our SAF link will always be running higher than needed power unless
we lower it.

is ATPC on the roadmap with those guys? its not rocket math, id prefer to
have it

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Adair Winter <ada...@amarillowireless.net>
wrote:

> yes, and also higher latency and potentially unstable modulation rates.
>
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:01 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> On a 5 mile link, perfect LOS path, clear fresnel zones, blue sky day,
>> B11 will have more throughput than AF11x?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says
>>
>> Sure, it also has greater potential throughput and an SFP cage.
>>
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:46:17 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says
>>
>> Just went through their costing page.  More than an AF11x system.
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:32 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says
>>
>> List is $2k, available for less.
>>
>> http://www.balticnetworks.com/mimosa-b11-starter-kit-with-11
>> ghz-antennas.html
>>
>>
>>
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>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, August 17, 2017 3:28:46 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says
>>
>> What is the cost of a B11 radio?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:12 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says
>>
>> It's a WiFi based chipset but that has nothing to do with the modulation
>> being all over the place for no apparent reason.  That's simply not true
>> Matthew and has nothing to do with the chipset or the PHY layer.  If the
>> link is calculated correctly and installed correctly, that is simply not
>> the
>> case.  Every single radio out there adapts to a changing environment
>> because
>> if they didn't, they would disconnect when conditions got below the link
>> specifications.
>>
>> I've got several up, one at 50 miles so we have some experience with the
>> radios.  I’m upgrading it to Cambium 820's shortly simply because I want
>> more bandwidth but the radio costs are 5 times higher and we put them in
>> a
>> year ago.  However, other B11's we have in place have been flawless as
>> well
>> as our Dragonwaves and Siklus.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:49 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Figuring out what our FCC application says
>>
>> On 8/17/17 11:33, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> > I think the point is, on a B11 link (well, both of ours, anyway), the
>> > modulation will be all over the place at any given time for no
>> > apparent reason. Every other licensed radio I've ever used will sit at
>> > full modulation (or whatever it's supposed to be at) unless there's
>> > something wrong with it, or there's a major storm going through that
>> > causes enough fade for the signal level to drop. B11's tend to act
>> > much more like I would expect an unlicensed link to act.
>>
>> Isn't it just a wifi-based thing in a licensed band?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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