Plenty of other lists for political discourse. Rather not smell those farts
here anymore.
From: Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 2:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Ok, calling anyone a pussy is probably innapropriate. It is just ironic to me
that the same people talking about liberal snowflakes needing safe spaces claim
this list as their safe space. It's the Internet! Where I grew up, you
couldn't go anywhere without someone redirecting you to tubgirl...and you guys
want to complain about political discourse?? If it is labeled OT, and is a
subject that you would rather not discuss, then just don't click on it. I
don't see why a bunch of grown men have to hold their tongues and walk on
eggshells on this list. Is it really that hard to just have a constructive
debate once in awhile?
On Oct 3, 2017 2:17 PM, "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
The nice thing about AFMUG is there are very few rules. The bad thing about
AFMUG is there are very few rules.
The political stuff drove Ken away last year. I was thinking about it too. It
was getting a little too much. So lets not go there again. That's one of the
reasons I don't do the bookface much. That place is a shithole.
BTW, someone did forget the [OT] on this thread.
On 10/3/2017 3:03 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
It has to do with the nature of the content and the expected nature of the
content.
What if we just started only posting about VMware, or what if all new posts
were only about Steve's peppers, on the AFMUG mailing list? It would drive the
audience away.
On Oct 3, 2017 2:56 PM, "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed. It is an
email list, and people can say whatever the hell they want. Why is everyone so
sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate? Bunch of pussies....
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion?
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com>
wrote:
So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so.
Medically neuter the population.
We can start with Steve.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to
day criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the
streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the
history of the country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill count
this year than this guy.
Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome
not seeing the forrest through the trees.
Really should have killed this thread.
On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as
"conversions" in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote:
I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto
narrative that the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone shot
from near the base of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site that a friend
sent me. I'll post the link if you guys want. It sounds like this fuckwit is
using an external rotary trigger device. Think gatling gun. You can hear the
cyclic rate change. That's not something a full auto does. Probably his trigger
masturbation hand getting tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for that. I'm
going back to bed.
On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control
have prevented this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that
with one possible exception, there really isn't anything which would have made
much of a difference.
Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he
did), you have to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on
recreational gun owners. In every case I've thought of (restricting total
number of guns, restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the
information we have that this attack could have been carried out with access to
the exact same arsenal that a recreational gun user should have access to.
(Assuming one buys into the belief that there should be recreational gun users
- let's NOT go down that path, since that would definitely end up leading to
somewhere we don't want to go on this list).
The only possible additional restriction I can see which may
have helped is further restricting devices designed to effectively convert
non-automatic weapons to automatic functions. I find it irrational that one
would restrict automatic weapons, but would not apply similar restrictions to
"conversion" products. On the other hand, I can think of dozens of ways to
modify a semi-automatic to automatic functions, many of which made easier to
accomplish with the prevalence of 3d printing.
Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into
the cause here. Access to guns is not the problem. Having people who want
to use guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how
do we solve that one?
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup
<george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport
firearms or ammo without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate
card, and yep, you gotta have both on you to carry.
Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for
hand guns. Our 4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police
and NICS.
So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the
law-abiding here.
None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor
the quiet nut jobs.
On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote:
I need to clarify my last message. in California we have
the pleasure of waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms that we
purchased. in the state of Nevada there is no waiting period and they can be
purchased over the counter
On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson"
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that
much ammo without setting off all sorts of sirens? You would think ATF would
have some sort of triggers set for when someone buys a bunch of guns and ammo.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home
with thousands of rounds plus electronics of some kind.
On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup"
<george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
s/clip/magazine
Sorry Bill, had to.
On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take
many minutes; maybe 15 or 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded
like automatic weapon fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it
sounded like a big clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene
described it as "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were
at least 6 or 7 clips.
There are probably eye witness errors in the
above description, but if it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
How long did this event last?
From the time he started shooting how long
until police found him and he killed himself ?
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----- Reply message -----
From: "Rory Conaway"
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To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM
I think the best thing to do is wait to see if
the authorities can find a motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement
but haven’t heard from them yet.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On
Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
+1, let's please not get into a political fight.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting
While I won't get into gun politics I will say
there are a bunch of extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt
with logical reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the
opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political
discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like everyone
else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to do what it
takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such things.
I would hope to head off any political debates
on the list.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy
<jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
I had never seen these bump stop devices. It
is hard to believe that they are legal, and do not require a machine gun
license. I expect that will not last.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well crazy is crazy no matter what. I don't
care what allegiance they claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up
person. People died for no good reason. As much heat as I will take for this,
easy access to guns has got to change. Fuck the politics.
On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum"
<cc...@wispmon.com> wrote:
Well that is some relief.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert
<i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
FBI says no...
On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and
they are responsible, not verified yet, but if true is pretty scary.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I have never been asked any questions
coming in and out of Vegas
hotels. There are so many conventions they
are used to people who
don't like storing all their expensive gear
in the conference room
or whatever.
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of
real estate for travel
luggage transport
On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
<losguyswirel...@gmail.com
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Bet you surveillance footage is
getting analyzed. I am
aware guns can be disassembled to
fit in suitcase or travel
bags...but 10 guns if report is
accurate...wow.
On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert"
<i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
wrote:
Expect metal detectors going in
immediately...
On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley
wrote:
I won't be surprised if
there were baggage checks at
the casino.
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Fankhauser"
<lists.wavel...@gmail.com
<mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com
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*Sent: *Monday, October
2, 2017 9:44:58 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG]
Vegas Mass Shooting
I wonder if attendance
to the WISPA show will be
down from this
On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at
10:39 AM, Jay Weekley
<par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>> wrote:
A week later and
some of us may have been
at the concert.
Robert wrote:
A best friend
and his brother were
there and had bullets
wizzing by him
and hitting the ground
around him and had
people falling
around him.
On 10/2/17
4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
I have a
co-worker who is there on
a vacation for his
birthday
until Wednesday. Haven't
heard from him yet.
On Oct 2,
2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest
Christian (List
Account)"
<li...@packetflux.com
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com
<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>>> wrote:
I'm
not really even sure what
to say. This keeps
getting
worse and
worse
as more details come in.
A
different festival on a
different night and I
could
have been
among
the crowd. Makes it even
more real.
--
*Forrest Christian*
/CEO//, PacketFlux
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