I think you're supposed to wear it, not smoke it... On Oct 3, 2017 9:59 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> Sackcloth is made out of hemp. Ashes.... > > Burn me on young man. > > *From:* James Howard > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 8:19 PM > *To:* 'af@afmug.com' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > > Sackcloth and ashes for everyone! > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 3:08 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > > > Because we invoked Lent due to things that transpired last fall. I think > it is time to remind everyone that it is still Lent at AnimalFarm. > > > > *From:* Jeremy > > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:56 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > > > This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed. It is an > email list, and people can say whatever the hell they want. Why is > everyone so sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate? > Bunch of pussies.... > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: > > Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion? > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. Medically > neuter the population. > > We can start with Steve. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day > criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the > streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the > history of the country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill > count this year than this guy. > > > > Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not > seeing the forrest through the trees. > > > > Really should have killed this thread. > > > > On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as "conversions" > in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote: > > I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto narrative > that the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone shot from near > the base of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site that a friend sent > me. I'll post the link if you guys want. It sounds like this fuckwit is > using an external rotary trigger device. Think gatling gun. You can hear > the cyclic rate change. That's not something a full auto does. Probably his > trigger masturbation hand getting tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for > that. I'm going back to bed. > > On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: > > After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have prevented > this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with one > possible exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much > of a difference. > > > > Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you have > to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun > owners. In every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns, > restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we > have that this attack could have been carried out with access to the exact > same arsenal that a recreational gun user should have access to. > (Assuming one buys into the belief that there should be recreational gun > users - let's NOT go down that path, since that would definitely end up > leading to somewhere we don't want to go on this list). > > > > The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped > is further restricting devices designed to effectively convert > non-automatic weapons to automatic functions. I find it irrational that > one would restrict automatic weapons, but would not apply similar > restrictions to "conversion" products. On the other hand, I can think > of dozens of ways to modify a semi-automatic to automatic functions, many > of which made easier to accomplish with the prevalence of 3d printing. > > > > Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause > here. Access to guns is not the problem. Having people who want to use > guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how do > we solve that one? > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> > wrote: > > We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo > without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep, > you gotta have both on you to carry. > Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our > 4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS. > > So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here. > > None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut > jobs. > > On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote: > > I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the pleasure of > waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms that we purchased. in > the state of Nevada there is no waiting period and they can be purchased > over the counter > > > > On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: > > How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo without > setting off all sorts of sirens? You would think ATF would have some sort > of triggers set for when someone buys a bunch of guns and ammo. > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > 59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of > rounds plus electronics of some kind. > > > > On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote: > > s/clip/magazine > > Sorry Bill, had to. > > On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or > 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon > fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big > clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as > "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least 6 > or 7 clips. > > There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if > it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > > > How long did this event last? > > From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he > killed himself ? > > > > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone > > > > ----- Reply message ----- > From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net > To: mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM > > > > I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a > motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from > them yet. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > > > +1, let's please not get into a political fight. > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > > To: af@afmug.com > > Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > > > While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of > extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical > reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the > opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political > discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like > everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to > do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such > things. > > > > I would hope to head off any political debates on the list. > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I had never seen these bump stop devices. It is hard to believe that they > are legal, and do not require a machine gun license. I expect that will > not last. > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Well crazy is crazy no matter what. I don't care what allegiance they > claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person. People died > for no good reason. As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to > guns has got to change. Fuck the politics. > > > > On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: > > Well that is some relief. > > > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: > > FBI says no... > > On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: > > ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not > verified yet, but if true is pretty scary. > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman < > mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com%20%3cmailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas > hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who > don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room > or whatever. > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones > > <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com%20%3cmailto: > thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel > luggage transport > > On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza" > > <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com%20%3cmailto: > losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed. I am > aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel > bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow. > On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com > > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: > > Expect metal detectors going in immediately... > > On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: > > I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at > the casino. > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > It would be irrational to change your plans, but > we're all just people. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>>< > https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb > <https://plus.google.com/+ > IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><https://www.linkedin. > com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions > <https://www.linkedin.com/ > company/intelligent-computing-solutions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL > > > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>> > Midwest Internet Exchange > <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>><https://www. > linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange > <https://www.linkedin.com/ > company/midwest-internet-exchange>><https://twitter.com/mdwestix > > > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>> > The Brothers WISP > <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ > <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp > > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/ > UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/ > UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>> > ------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------ > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" > <lists.wavel...@gmail.com > > <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> > *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > > > *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be > down from this > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley > <par...@cyberbroadband.net > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> > > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net > > > <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>> wrote: > > A week later and some of us may have been > at the concert. > > Robert wrote: > > A best friend and his brother were > there and had bullets > wizzing by him and hitting the ground > around him and had > people falling around him. > > On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > I have a co-worker who is there on > a vacation for his > birthday until Wednesday. 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