Listen to the radio audio. It's confusion On Oct 4, 2017 8:19 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
> Right but if the fire alarm is what led them there, shouldn't there of > been a big red light flashing on the annunciator panel for what room it was? > > On Oct 4, 2017, at 09:04, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > Could have been caused by all kinds of shit. Takes awhile for the brain to > work. That night was pure chaos with all kinds of false reports. > > On Oct 4, 2017 8:01 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote: > >> So as long as we are so off-topic on this. >> >> Does this seem odd to anyone else? I feel like if there is an alarm going >> off, the fire panel would indicate the room it was in. >> >> "The SWAT team utilized the alarm activated by the smoke to determine >> Paddock's location. But it still took SWAT some 20 minutes from the time >> they arrived at the hotel to pinpoint the exact room Paddock was located >> in, according to The Post." >> >> On Oct 4, 2017, at 08:54, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> The description of sackcloth doesn't sound like doesn't sound like >> something I'd want to use for what it's name implies. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"James Howard" <ja...@litewire.net> >> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 3, 2017 9:19:22 PM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >> >> Sackcloth and ashes for everyone! >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 3:08 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >> >> >> >> Because we invoked Lent due to things that transpired last fall. I think >> it is time to remind everyone that it is still Lent at AnimalFarm. >> >> >> >> *From:* Jeremy >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:56 PM >> >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >> >> >> >> This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed. It is an >> email list, and people can say whatever the hell they want. Why is >> everyone so sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate? >> Bunch of pussies.... >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >> wrote: >> >> Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion? >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. Medically >> neuter the population. >> >> We can start with Steve. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >> Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day >> criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the >> streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the >> history of the country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill >> count this year than this guy. >> >> >> >> Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not >> seeing the forrest through the trees. >> >> >> >> Really should have killed this thread. >> >> >> >> On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as "conversions" >> in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 10/3/2017 1:28 AM, George Skorup wrote: >> >> I think we might possibly be overthinking this whole full auto narrative >> that the media is pushing. Just watched a video that someone shot from near >> the base of the hotel. The video is from an NSFW site that a friend sent >> me. I'll post the link if you guys want. It sounds like this fuckwit is >> using an external rotary trigger device. Think gatling gun. You can hear >> the cyclic rate change. That's not something a full auto does. Probably his >> trigger masturbation hand getting tired. Fucking piece of shit. Sorry for >> that. I'm going back to bed. >> >> On 10/2/2017 11:05 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: >> >> After some thought on the whole 'could tougher gun control have prevented >> this tragedy' topic, I've sort of come to the conclusion that with one >> possible exception, there really isn't anything which would have made much >> of a difference. >> >> >> >> Assuming that the shooter has a perfectly clean record (he did), you have >> to look at what restrictions you're willing to put on recreational gun >> owners. In every case I've thought of (restricting total number of guns, >> restricting ammo purchases, etc.), it seems based on the information we >> have that this attack could have been carried out with access to the exact >> same arsenal that a recreational gun user should have access to. >> (Assuming one buys into the belief that there should be recreational gun >> users - let's NOT go down that path, since that would definitely end up >> leading to somewhere we don't want to go on this list). >> >> >> >> The only possible additional restriction I can see which may have helped >> is further restricting devices designed to effectively convert >> non-automatic weapons to automatic functions. I find it irrational that >> one would restrict automatic weapons, but would not apply similar >> restrictions to "conversion" products. On the other hand, I can think >> of dozens of ways to modify a semi-automatic to automatic functions, many >> of which made easier to accomplish with the prevalence of 3d printing. >> >> >> >> Which leads me to the belief that we need to go deeper into the cause >> here. Access to guns is not the problem. Having people who want to use >> guns (or other weapons) in this way is the problem - the question is how do >> we solve that one? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 7:39 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> >> wrote: >> >> We have the FOID in IL. You cannot buy or transport firearms or ammo >> without your card on you. Our CCL is a completely separate card, and yep, >> you gotta have both on you to carry. >> Our waiting periods are 1 day for long guns, 3 days for hand guns. Our >> 4473s/background checks are ran through both the IL State Police and NICS. >> >> So no, it is not "easy" to buy guns legally for the law-abiding here. >> >> None of this stops the gang bangers from getting guns. Nor the quiet nut >> jobs. >> >> On 10/2/2017 6:05 PM, Jason Wilson wrote: >> >> I need to clarify my last message. in California we have the pleasure of >> waiting 10 days before we can pick up the firearms that we purchased. in >> the state of Nevada there is no waiting period and they can be purchased >> over the counter >> >> >> >> On Oct 2, 2017 3:26 PM, "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >> wrote: >> >> How on earth does someone buy that many guns and that much ammo without >> setting off all sorts of sirens? You would think ATF would have some sort >> of triggers set for when someone buys a bunch of guns and ammo. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> 59 dead, 527 injured,. 18 more guns found at one home with thousands of >> rounds plus electronics of some kind. >> >> >> >> On Oct 2, 2017 1:30 PM, "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote: >> >> s/clip/magazine >> >> Sorry Bill, had to. >> >> On 10/2/2017 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >> >> Based on what I heard (so far), it had to take many minutes; maybe 15 or >> 20 or so. From the sound, you could hear what sounded like automatic weapon >> fire going and going until the clip was empty (and it sounded like a big >> clip). Then there was a brief pause (people on the scene described it as >> "30 seconds"), then another round with another clip. There were at least 6 >> or 7 clips. >> >> There are probably eye witness errors in the above description, but if >> it's even close to correct, it is pretty scary. >> >> >> >> bp >> >> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >> >> >> On 10/2/2017 10:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: >> >> >> >> How long did this event last? >> >> From the time he started shooting how long until police found him and he >> killed himself ? >> >> >> >> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone >> >> >> >> ----- Reply message ----- >> From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net >> <r...@triadwireless.net> >> To: mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com> mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >> Date: Mon, Oct 2, 2017 11:59 AM >> >> >> >> I think the best thing to do is wait to see if the authorities can find a >> motive. I’ve got family up there in Law Enforcement but haven’t heard from >> them yet. >> >> >> >> Rory >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On >> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >> *Sent:* Monday, October 2, 2017 9:52 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >> >> >> >> +1, let's please not get into a political fight. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >> >> >> >> While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of >> extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical >> reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the >> opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political >> discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like >> everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to >> do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such >> things. >> >> >> >> I would hope to head off any political debates on the list. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I had never seen these bump stop devices. It is hard to believe that >> they are legal, and do not require a machine gun license. I expect that >> will not last. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Well crazy is crazy no matter what. I don't care what allegiance they >> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person. People died >> for no good reason. As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to >> guns has got to change. Fuck the politics. >> >> >> >> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: >> >> Well that is some relief. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: >> >> FBI says no... >> >> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: >> >> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not >> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary. >> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com >> <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas >> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who >> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room >> or whatever. >> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones >> >> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel >> luggage transport >> >> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza" >> >> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed. I am >> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel >> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow. >> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com >> >> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com <i...@avantwireless.com>>> >> wrote: >> >> Expect metal detectors going in immediately... >> >> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: >> >> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks at >> the casino. >> >> Mike Hammett wrote: >> >> It would be irrational to change your plans, but >> we're all just people. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>>< >> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb >> <https://plus.google.com/+Inte >> lligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><https://www.linkedin.com/ >> company/intelligent-computing-solutions >> <https://www.linkedin.com/comp >> any/intelligent-computing-solutions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL >> >> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>> >> Midwest Internet Exchange >> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>>< >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange >> <https://www.linkedin.com/comp >> any/midwest-internet-exchange>><https://twitter.com/mdwestix >> >> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>> >> The Brothers WISP >> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ >> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp >> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/chann >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/chann >> el/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>> >> ------------------------------ >> ------------------------------------------ >> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" >> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com >> >> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com >> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>>> >> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com >> <af@afmug.com>> >> >> >> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >> >> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will be >> down from this >> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley >> <par...@cyberbroadband.net >> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> <par...@cyberbroadband.net%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%20%3cmailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> >> > >> >> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> <par...@cyberbroadband.net> >> >> >> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >> <par...@cyberbroadband.net>>>> wrote: >> >> A week later and some of us may have been >> at the concert. >> >> Robert wrote: >> >> A best friend and his brother were >> there and had bullets >> wizzing by him and hitting the ground >> around him and had >> people falling around him. >> >> On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> I have a co-worker who is there on >> a vacation for his >> birthday until Wednesday. Haven't >> heard from him yet. >> >> On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest >> Christian (List Account)" >> <li...@packetflux.com >> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com >> <li...@packetflux.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%20%3cmailto:li...@packetflux.com> >> > >> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com >> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com >> <li...@packetflux.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%20%3cmailto:li...@packetflux.com> >> >> >> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com >> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com >> <li...@packetflux.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%20%3cmailto:li...@packetflux.com> >> > >> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com >> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com >> <li...@packetflux.com%0b%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%C2%A0%20%3cmailto:li...@packetflux.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> I'm not really even sure what >> to say. 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