In PA the state police hate the digital system. So they carry two radios in their cars. The state digital and their own VHF. It's stupid.
> On Oct 4, 2017, at 19:37, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Me thinks I am probably the only one on this list with decades of public > safety and commercial two way radio experience and still in the business. > I'll sum it up. > All Two Way channels are getting narrower > Digital is the way things are going to continue to go > It ain't going back > It doesn't matter that 95% of the geography doesn't need it. These trends are > driven by the dense population areas that require more spectral efficiency > and there isn't anything anyone is going to do about it. FirstNet is the same > thing with different bands. Second, try 12.5KHz or 6.25KHz without digital > and see what that crap sounds like. I lived through it and companding was a > lot worse. Most of you aren't old enough to remember when the channel sizes > were all 50KHz instead of 25KHz and everything sounded beautiful. Those days > aren't coming back. > > No matter what vocoder is used some tuning to dialect and speech helps. > Having said all that, some voices are not going to sound good on any > narrowband. If you come from analog wideband to narrowband digital it all > sounds like crap. You get used the the difference and there is no issue > understanding words or intent. > > In short; everything sounds better wide band, there is no wide band, get over > it. > >> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> >> wrote: >> P25 Phase-I uses the IMBE vocoder. Yeah, that kinda sounds like shit. >> Phase-II uses the AMBE+2 vocoder, but then you have the TDMA split into two >> time slots, i.e. half the bandwidth. Still better than IMBE. DMR/TRBO is >> also 2-slot TDMA using AMBE+2. I use it and don't think it sounds that bad >> at all. Add encryption overhead and it sounds worse, regardless of the >> vocoder used. Bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth. >> >> >>> On 10/4/2017 9:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> >>> But it does. In a stressful situation the last thing you need is to not be >>> able to understand communication on the radio. >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:20, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>> >> >>>> Hitting delete is so damn easy tho >> >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Matt Hoppes >>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >> >>>>> Maybe if they weren't running P 25 or whatever that digital compression >>>>> crap is on the radio's conversation would've flown a little bit better. >>>>> For some reason digital radio get sold over and over and over to Public >>>>> Safety as being the cats meow, but here in Pennsylvania is a great >>>>> example of how it just doesn't work. We spend millions of dollars >>>>> retrofitting a system just to start trying to go to another one. >>>>> >>>>> The last thing you need in a stressful situation is everyone sounding in >>>>> the abbreviated and codex scaling down because the signal level going to >>>>> repeater isn't good >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:13, Jason McKemie >>>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>>> The zones could have been wrong - it happens. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2017, Matt Hoppes >>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >> >>>>>>> Right but if the fire alarm is what led them there, shouldn't there of >>>>>>> been a big red light flashing on the annunciator panel for what room it >>>>>>> was? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 09:04, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Could have been caused by all kinds of shit. Takes awhile for the >>>>>>>> brain to work. That night was pure chaos with all kinds of false >>>>>>>> reports. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2017 8:01 AM, "Matt Hoppes" >>>>>>>> <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> So as long as we are so off-topic on this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does this seem odd to anyone else? I feel like if there is an alarm >>>>>>>>> going off, the fire panel would indicate the room it was in. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "The SWAT team utilized the alarm activated by the smoke to determine >>>>>>>>> Paddock's location. But it still took SWAT some 20 minutes from the >>>>>>>>> time they arrived at the hotel to pinpoint the exact room Paddock was >>>>>>>>> located in, according to The Post." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 08:54, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The description of sackcloth doesn't sound like doesn't sound like >>>>>>>>>> something I'd want to use for what it's name implies. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: "James Howard" <ja...@litewire.net> >>>>>>>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 >>>>>>>>>> 9:19:22 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sackcloth and ashes for everyone! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf >>>>>>>>>> Of Chuck McCown >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2017 3:08 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Because we invoked Lent due to things that transpired last fall. I >>>>>>>>>> think it is time to remind everyone that it is still Lent at >>>>>>>>>> AnimalFarm. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: Jeremy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:56 PM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed. It >>>>>>>>>> is an email list, and people can say whatever the hell they want. >>>>>>>>>> Why is everyone so sensitive to constructive or even >>>>>>>>>> non-constructive debate? Bunch of pussies.... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>>> <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. >>>>>>>>>> Medically neuter the population. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We can start with Steve. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day >>>>>>>>>> criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers >>>>>>>>>> walking the streets next to you daily today than all the combined >>>>>>>>>> mass murderers in the history >>>>>>>>>> of the country. The city of chicago has a higher >>>>>>>>>> shooting/kill count this year than this guy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome >>>>>>>>>> not seeing the forrest through the trees. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Really should have killed this thread. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as >>>>>>>>>> "conversions" in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the >>>>>>>>>> room. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> bp >>>>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
