80.7% of the US population lives in a metro area. The rest of the population with the vast majority of the land area get to "deal with it".
Tis life. It has it's pros and cons. *Shrug* On Oct 4, 2017 6:50 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > In PA the state police hate the digital system. So they carry two radios > in their cars. The state digital and their own VHF. It's stupid. > > On Oct 4, 2017, at 19:37, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Me thinks I am probably the only one on this list with decades of public > safety and commercial two way radio experience and still in the business. > I'll sum it up. > > - All Two Way channels are getting narrower > - Digital is the way things are going to continue to go > - It ain't going back > > It doesn't matter that 95% of the geography doesn't need it. These trends > are driven by the dense population areas that require more spectral > efficiency and there isn't anything anyone is going to do about it. > FirstNet is the same thing with different bands. Second, try 12.5KHz or > 6.25KHz without digital and see what that crap sounds like. I lived through > it and companding was a lot worse. Most of you aren't old enough to > remember when the channel sizes were all 50KHz instead of 25KHz and > everything sounded beautiful. Those days aren't coming back. > > No matter what vocoder is used some tuning to dialect and speech helps. > Having said all that, some voices are not going to sound good on any > narrowband. If you come from analog wideband to narrowband digital it all > sounds like crap. You get used the the difference and there is no issue > understanding words or intent. > > In short; everything sounds better wide band, there is no wide band, get > over it. > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> > wrote: > >> P25 Phase-I uses the IMBE vocoder. Yeah, that kinda sounds like shit. >> Phase-II uses the AMBE+2 vocoder, but then you have the TDMA split into two >> time slots, i.e. half the bandwidth. Still better than IMBE. DMR/TRBO is >> also 2-slot TDMA using AMBE+2. I use it and don't think it sounds that bad >> at all. Add encryption overhead and it sounds worse, regardless of the >> vocoder used. Bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth. >> >> >> On 10/4/2017 9:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> >> But it does. In a stressful situation the last thing you need is to not >> be able to understand communication on the radio. >> >> On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:20, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hitting delete is so damn easy tho >> >> >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> >> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> >> 1100 Wayne St >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D+Suite+1337+%0D+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> >> Suite 1337 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D+Suite+1337+%0D+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> >> Troy, OH 45373 >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D+Suite+1337+%0D+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Matt Hoppes <mattlists@ >> rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >> >> Maybe if they weren't running P 25 or whatever that digital compression >>> crap is on the radio's conversation would've flown a little bit better. For >>> some reason digital radio get sold over and over and over to Public Safety >>> as being the cats meow, but here in Pennsylvania is a great example of how >>> it just doesn't work. We spend millions of dollars retrofitting a system >>> just to start trying to go to another one. >>> >>> The last thing you need in a stressful situation is everyone sounding in >>> the abbreviated and codex scaling down because the signal level going to >>> repeater isn't good >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:13, Jason McKemie <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband. >>> com> wrote: >>> >>> The zones could have been wrong - it happens. >>> >>> On Wednesday, October 4, 2017, Matt Hoppes <mattlists@ >>> rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>> >>> Right but if the fire alarm is what led them there, shouldn't there of >>>> been a big red light flashing on the annunciator panel for what room it >>>> was? >>>> >>>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 09:04, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Could have been caused by all kinds of shit. Takes awhile for the brain >>>> to work. That night was pure chaos with all kinds of false reports. >>>> >>>> On Oct 4, 2017 8:01 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattlists@ >>>> rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So as long as we are so off-topic on this. >>>>> >>>>> Does this seem odd to anyone else? I feel like if there is an alarm >>>>> going off, the fire panel would indicate the room it was in. >>>>> >>>>> "The SWAT team utilized the alarm activated by the smoke to determine >>>>> Paddock's location. But it still took SWAT some 20 minutes from the time >>>>> they arrived at the hotel to pinpoint the exact room Paddock was located >>>>> in, according to The Post." >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 08:54, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The description of sackcloth doesn't sound like doesn't sound like >>>>> something I'd want to use for what it's name implies. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"James Howard" <ja...@litewire.net> >>>>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 3, 2017 9:19:22 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >>>>> >>>>> Sackcloth and ashes for everyone! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 3:08 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Because we invoked Lent due to things that transpired last fall. I >>>>> think it is time to remind everyone that it is still Lent at AnimalFarm. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Jeremy >>>>> >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:56 PM >>>>> >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed. It is >>>>> an email list, and people can say whatever the hell they want. Why is >>>>> everyone so sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate? >>>>> Bunch of pussies.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson < >>>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. >>>>> Medically neuter the population. >>>>> >>>>> We can start with Steve. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day >>>>> criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the >>>>> streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in >>>>> the >>>>> history of the country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill >>>>> count this year than this guy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not >>>>> seeing the forrest through the trees. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Really should have killed this thread. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as >>>>> "conversions" in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> bp >>>>> >>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >>>>> >>>>>
