That's kind of a shame. Harris makes damn good military radios. On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:03 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> Yes, they ran into capacity issues. Harris had techs onsite massaging the > system full-time trying to save the deal but there was something wrong with > the software. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 4, 2017 7:40 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > > > Was the system built with enough receive sites in the right locations? > That's generally the problem. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, October 4, 2017 6:50:04 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > In PA the state police hate the digital system. So they carry two radios > in their cars. The state digital and their own VHF. It's stupid. > > > On Oct 4, 2017, at 19:37, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Me thinks I am probably the only one on this list with decades of public > safety and commercial two way radio experience and still in the business. > I'll sum it up. > > - All Two Way channels are getting narrower > - Digital is the way things are going to continue to go > - It ain't going back > > It doesn't matter that 95% of the geography doesn't need it. These trends > are driven by the dense population areas that require more spectral > efficiency and there isn't anything anyone is going to do about it. > FirstNet is the same thing with different bands. Second, try 12.5KHz or > 6.25KHz without digital and see what that crap sounds like. I lived through > it and companding was a lot worse. Most of you aren't old enough to > remember when the channel sizes were all 50KHz instead of 25KHz and > everything sounded beautiful. Those days aren't coming back. > > > > No matter what vocoder is used some tuning to dialect and speech helps. > Having said all that, some voices are not going to sound good on any > narrowband. If you come from analog wideband to narrowband digital it all > sounds like crap. You get used the the difference and there is no issue > understanding words or intent. > > > > In short; everything sounds better wide band, there is no wide band, get > over it. > > > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 5:05 PM George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> > wrote: > > P25 Phase-I uses the IMBE vocoder. Yeah, that kinda sounds like shit. > Phase-II uses the AMBE+2 vocoder, but then you have the TDMA split into two > time slots, i.e. half the bandwidth. Still better than IMBE. DMR/TRBO is > also 2-slot TDMA using AMBE+2. I use it and don't think it sounds that bad > at all. Add encryption overhead and it sounds worse, regardless of the > vocoder used. Bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth. > > > > On 10/4/2017 9:27 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: > > But it does. In a stressful situation the last thing you need is to not be > able to understand communication on the radio. > > > On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:20, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > > Hitting delete is so damn easy tho > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D+Suite+1337+%0D+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> > Suite 1337 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D+Suite+1337+%0D+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> > Troy, OH 45373 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+%0D+Suite+1337+%0D+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> > > > > On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 10:17 AM, Matt Hoppes <mattlists@ > rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > Maybe if they weren't running P 25 or whatever that digital compression > crap is on the radio's conversation would've flown a little bit better. For > some reason digital radio get sold over and over and over to Public Safety > as being the cats meow, but here in Pennsylvania is a great example of how > it just doesn't work. We spend millions of dollars retrofitting a system > just to start trying to go to another one. > > > > The last thing you need in a stressful situation is everyone sounding in > the abbreviated and codex scaling down because the signal level going to > repeater isn't good > > > On Oct 4, 2017, at 10:13, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote: > > The zones could have been wrong - it happens. > > On Wednesday, October 4, 2017, Matt Hoppes <mattlists@ > rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > Right but if the fire alarm is what led them there, shouldn't there of > been a big red light flashing on the annunciator panel for what room it was? > > > On Oct 4, 2017, at 09:04, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > Could have been caused by all kinds of shit. Takes awhile for the brain to > work. That night was pure chaos with all kinds of false reports. > > > > On Oct 4, 2017 8:01 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote: > > So as long as we are so off-topic on this. > > > > Does this seem odd to anyone else? I feel like if there is an alarm going > off, the fire panel would indicate the room it was in. > > > > "The SWAT team utilized the alarm activated by the smoke to determine > Paddock's location. But it still took SWAT some 20 minutes from the time > they arrived at the hotel to pinpoint the exact room Paddock was located > in, according to The Post." > > > On Oct 4, 2017, at 08:54, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > The description of sackcloth doesn't sound like doesn't sound like > something I'd want to use for what it's name implies. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"James Howard" <ja...@litewire.net> > *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, October 3, 2017 9:19:22 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > Sackcloth and ashes for everyone! > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 3, 2017 3:08 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > > > Because we invoked Lent due to things that transpired last fall. I think > it is time to remind everyone that it is still Lent at AnimalFarm. > > > > *From:* Jeremy > > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 03, 2017 1:56 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > > > This isn't a message board, with 'threads' that can be closed. It is an > email list, and people can say whatever the hell they want. Why is > everyone so sensitive to constructive or even non-constructive debate? > Bunch of pussies.... > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: > > Can we either drop this discussion or open it up to real discussion? > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 11:43 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > So we should just chemically castrate any male over 26 or so. Medically > neuter the population. > > We can start with Steve. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > > On 10/3/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Jones wrote: > > Sheeple should really be more concerned about identifying day to day > criminals than mass murderers. Gangs have more mass murderers walking the > streets next to you daily today than all the combined mass murderers in the > history of the country. The city of chicago has a higher shooting/kill > count this year than this guy. > > > > Worrying about identifying mass shooters beforehand is the epitome not > seeing the forrest through the trees. > > > > Really should have killed this thread. > > > > On Oct 3, 2017 9:50 AM, "Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Reports on NPR is that there were both full auto as well as "conversions" > in the assortment of 23-some-odd weapons found in the room. > > > > bp > > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com > > >
