How? 



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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




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From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 12:22:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar 



No contract? That's frankly beyond scary. 

On Oct 17, 2017, at 13:06, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 





Sonar is strictly per user with no contract, so if you haven't migrated any 
users in yet then you pay the minimum.....which I think is $100/month. 




------ Original Message ------ 
From: "Matt Hoppes" < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 10/17/2017 9:16:46 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar 



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Fail. 

On Oct 17, 2017, at 08:54, Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote: 


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Many of them start charging you regardless if you are on their system yet. Once 
you sign the contract, you start paying. 


On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:00 PM Nathan Anderson < nath...@fsr.com > wrote: 

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​I can understand this if the product in question is purchased/licensed for a 
one-time upfront fee. However, if you have a SaaS model with recurring 
revenues, it seems like it would be in your best interest to help the customer 
move existing data over to your product cost-free, and thus get them to be a 
paying customer ASAP. 



-- Nathan 



From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Lewis Bergman < 
lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 3:36 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar 






Yea, this seems to be a common practice in the software industry. What they all 
should really say is that they help you convert. I am going through this with 
ECi at the moment. We paid several thousand for them to convert our database. 
What it really was was a half hearted gesture at putting the DB into an excel 
spreadsheet that they spent zero time checking for sanity. They expect us to do 
all that. 


It seems that most software companies expect their customers to have a whole 
team of people doing what seems to be the software companies job. Not saying 
Sonar fits the description, just that that seems to be the rule not the 
exception. 






On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:24 PM Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
wrote: 






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Taking forever to migrate from Platypus to Sonar. 

I was told conversion was free, but they didn't tell me I had to do all my own 
conversion from Plat to Sonar, so in my mind that's not free. 

I paid Spender Lambert to move some initial data to their format, but I've been 
on a hold with Sonar since last month. 

Super excited to get going with a 'modern' billing system, but so far the 
process has been a total snoozer. 





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