Is no one going to bring up Experian and the cloud hosting all of your data? That's a concern.
If the "one" cloud hosting server has problems, your entire billing and operational system goes down. Maybe it's simply the piece of mind that everything I have is within arms reach. Like I said before, it all comes down to what people are actually buying. No one needs a Ferrari when a Toyota well outlasts them in every objective manner and yet people are buying them. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 10:43 AM, James Howard <[email protected]> wrote: > Am I missing something here? What difference does it make if the software > is cloud hosted or locally hosted if the license model is subscription > either way? Mike might have been able to keep running it if he had a local > copy but he wouldn’t have owned the license to do it legally. > > > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 18, 2017 9:13 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Sonar > > > > That's my point Josh. Wisp mon was cloudy only, so when the acquisition > occurred Mike has no choice but to go to sonar. With a local he hosted > application he could choose to run the old Wispmon software until he > decides he wants to upgrade to something. > > > On Oct 18, 2017, at 09:22, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote: > > IIRC, version 3 you could have some of their services (not billing) > on-prem. Version 4 had an on-prem ability, due to the very reasons I > stated... a VM on your host is no different than a VM on my host from an > OS\application perspective. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png] > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png] > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png] > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png] > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Wednesday, October 18, 2017 8:20:17 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sonar > > Wispmon was cloud only wasn't it? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340> > Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343> > 1100 Wayne St > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> > Suite 1337 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> > Troy, OH 45373 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373&entry=gmail&source=g> > > > > On Oct 18, 2017 9:16 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote: > > He always has a choice. > > > > On Oct 18, 2017 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > He didn't have a choice. His cloud-based billing provider went out of > business and sold to sonar. So he doesn't even really have the option of > running old software, he's being forced to upgrade. > > > On Oct 18, 2017, at 07:55, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote: > > Please don't become a Sonar customer just to demonize them because you > don't like their service model. > > > > Seriously. That'd be a super shitty thing to do. > > > > On Oct 18, 2017 6:52 AM, "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> wrote: > > I will be using it shortly as Sonar bought WISPMon. > > All of the major billing\OSS platforms with modern features are also > cloud-based, so there's not really anywhere else to go. > > That's fine for you that it works that way, but many WISPs are increasing > their use of on-premises virtualization. What about your monitoring, DNS, > RADIUS, syslog, Unimus, mail, etc., etc. servers? > > > > Yes, my reasons do outweigh arbitrary reasons to keep it in a cloud > environment. > > Actually, I've been fairly quiet on this particular issue and will be > increasing my advocacy efforts in this regard to all billing\OSS platforms. > As I said, it's the SFP port of the billing\OSS world. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png] > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png] > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png] > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png] > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png] > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image: > http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Darin Steffl" <[email protected]> > *To: *[email protected] > *Sent: *Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:08:47 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Sonar > > I'm in agreement with Simon that it's much faster and reliable to host in > the cloud than a server on site. It would cost me many more hours, hand > holding, and worry if I had to host this server in my network. If I went on > vacation and something happened, I'd be stressed. > > > > With sonar living in the cloud, there's less to worry about as it's hosted > in a much more reliable datacenter than I could afford to build. It's also > managed by sonar's team so if there's an issue, they take care of it. > Stress free for me. > > > > I see why you might want to host it in house but those reasons do NOT > outweigh all the benefits of letting sonar host it in the cloud for you and > take care of the problems. > > > > Mike, if you don't like Simon's decision to leave it in the cloud, shut up > and move on. There's no reason for you and Matt Hoppes to keep beating a > dead horse and sound like a broken record. Use something else you're happy > with and let the rest of us grow our business and make more $ while you two > complain about a product you don't even use. 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