Good stuff, Rory, good stuff..
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Rory Conaway <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I echo what Eric is saying. Part of the issue is alignment. No
different than the AirFibers. You have to make sure you have as
much headroom as possible for fade. Second, is the issue of which
channel you select. The highest channel has the least amount of rain
fade.
Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t
even be part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was
a feature to protect the environment.____
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*From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
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I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and
highly reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but
expensive. Somewhat less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz
competition from SIAE, Siklu and others.____
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On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____
I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a
good experience. So far nothing has changed my mind about that
band. And I am in Utah....____
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*From:*Eric Kuhnke ____
*Sent:*Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM____
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ____
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
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Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by
IgniteNet's silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap
stuff... ____
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Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive,
carrier grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good
for five nines reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a
Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less distance in places that
have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious products that
take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and have
dedicated management interfaces. ____
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"serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as
$15,000 80 GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of
whom don't consider themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that
happen to use PTP millimeter wave when it is necessary or
justified.____
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I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen
photos of one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad
60 GHz dongle hot glued to a plastic thing in front of a
reflector. Scary.____
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On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____
Well hell, that is almost TMI. I expected as such from this
band. Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the
switchover mechanism it would be a contender. ____
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*From:*Matt Hoppes ____
*Sent:*Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM____
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ____
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
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Let me back up. __ __
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We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally
holds up during torrential down pours. ____
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Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. ____
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The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to
time. The problem for me is the fail over does not happen
properly. ____
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It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish.
Don't expect too much out of it. ____
On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:____
How far is your shot? What channel are you using?____
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Rory____
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*From:*Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of
*Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
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I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And
the 5GHz does not fail over seemleasly at all. ____
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There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz
finally dies. Then it sometimes flips. ____
On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:____
If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly,
there won't be complaining. ;-)____
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*From: *"Chuck McCown" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>_>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>_
*Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have
deployed this stuff and start complaining about it.
Then we will have believable data. ____
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*From:*Mike Hammett ____
*Sent:*Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM____
*To:*[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>_ ____
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
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_https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf_
page 7 vs. page 15____
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*From: *"Chris Wright" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>_>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>_
*Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum
significantly more than water. Not to say that it
doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at 300 meters
you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself
took offense to your client.____
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*From:*Af [_mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>_] *On Behalf Of *Adam
Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>_
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
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This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I
ever go down for rain? ____
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From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]
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To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>_____
Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM____
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
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Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is
dumb.____
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_Intelligent Computing Solutions_
_Midwest Internet Exchange_
_The Brothers WISP_
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*From: *"Adam Moffett" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>_>
*To: *[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>_
*Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
Is rain fade an issue? ____
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I just read an article claiming that the
atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz is so great
that at any range where 60ghz will operate the
rain fade is insignificant.____
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From: "Carl Peterson"
<[email protected]
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To: "[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>_"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>_>____
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM____
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
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Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just
drop the regular bracket and make everyone
order the decent ones. ____
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On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam
Moffett <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>_> wrote:____
At 1300m will I really need a scope to align
it?____
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------ Original Message ------____
From: "Chris Wright" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>_>____
To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>_____
Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM____
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
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I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35
radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with
them. The mounts they come with are
trash. Get the “long range” brackets and
alignment scope.____
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Chris Wright____
Network Administrator____
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*From:*Af [_mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>_] *On
Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM
*To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>_
*Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq____
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I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks
long, so 60ghz seems like an option.____
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Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it
been reliable for you?____
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I don't actually need a gigabit in this
case, I just need it to be up.____
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