Good stuff, Rory, good stuff..
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:39 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > I echo what Eric is saying. Part of the issue is alignment. No different > than the AirFibers. You have to make sure you have as much headroom as > possible for fade. Second, is the issue of which channel you select. The > highest channel has the least amount of rain fade. > > Matt, I suspect that if Ubiquiti had a 60Ghz radio out, you wouldn’t even > be part of this discussion or you would say that rain fade was a feature to > protect the environment. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:57 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > > > I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and > highly reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. > Somewhat less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from > SIAE, Siklu and others. > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good > experience. So far nothing has changed my mind about that band. And I am > in Utah.... > > > > *From:* Eric Kuhnke > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > > > Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's > silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... > > > > Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier > grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines > reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less > distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious > products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and > have dedicated management interfaces. > > > > "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 > GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider > themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter > wave when it is necessary or justified. > > > > I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of > one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot > glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Well hell, that is almost TMI. I expected as such from this band. Sounds > like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it would > be a contender. > > > > *From:* Matt Hoppes > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > > > Let me back up. > > > > We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during > torrential down pours. > > > > Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. > > > > The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The problem > for me is the fail over does not happen properly. > > > > It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect too > much out of it. > > > On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > > How far is your shot? What channel are you using? > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes > *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > > > I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does not > fail over seemleasly at all. > > > > There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then it > sometimes flips. > > > On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be > complaining. ;-) > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > > *Midwest Internet Exchange* > > *The Brothers WISP* > > > > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Chuck McCown" <*ch...@wbmfg.com <ch...@wbmfg.com>*> > *To: **af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>* > *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff > and start complaining about it. Then we will have believable data. > > > > *From:* Mike Hammett > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM > > *To:* *af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>* > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > > > *https://transition.fcc.gov/ > <https://transition.fcc.gov/>Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf* > > page 7 vs. page 15 > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > *Intelligent Computing Solutions* > > *Midwest Internet Exchange* > > *The Brothers WISP* > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Chris Wright" <*ch...@velociter.net <ch...@velociter.net>*> > *To: **af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>* > *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more > than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at > 300 meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took > offense to your client. > > > > *http://windowsil.org/wp- > <http://windowsil.org/wp->content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif* > > > > Chris Wright > > Network Administrator > > > > *From:* Af [*mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>*] *On > Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM > *To:* *af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>* > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > > > This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Mike Hammett" <*af...@ics-il.net <af...@ics-il.net>*> > > To: *af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>* > > Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > > > Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > *Intelligent Computing Solutions* > > *Midwest Internet Exchange* > > *The Brothers WISP* > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Adam Moffett" <*dmmoff...@gmail.com <dmmoff...@gmail.com>*> > *To: **af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>* > *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > Is rain fade an issue? > > > > I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at 60ghz > is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade is > insignificant. > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Carl Peterson" <*cpeter...@portnetworks.com > <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>*> > > To: "*af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>*" <*af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>*> > > Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > > > Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and > make everyone order the decent ones. > > > > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett <*dmmoff...@gmail.com > <dmmoff...@gmail.com>*> wrote: > > At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: "Chris Wright" <*ch...@velociter.net <ch...@velociter.net>*> > > To: *af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>* > > Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > > > I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy with > them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” brackets > and alignment scope. > > > > Chris Wright > > Network Administrator > > > > *From:* Af [*mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>*] *On > Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM > *To:* *af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>* > *Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq > > > > I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an option. > > > > Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? > > > > I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+E+Pratt+St,+Ste+2553%0D+Baltimore,+MD+21202&entry=gmail&source=g> > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+E+Pratt+St,+Ste+2553%0D+Baltimore,+MD+21202&entry=gmail&source=g> > > *(410) 637-3707* > > > > > > > > > > > >
