We have two Metrolinq links running at slightly under a mile each... rain fade is a bit worse than an airfiber 24ghz link running going twice the distance. At 300 meters, I would be surprised if it ever had any major issues... also, keep in mind that there's a very big difference between the highest and lowest channels on these things, as far as oxygen absorption goes.
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I would have to say my experience was the opposite. Good quality and > highly reliable, as long as it was installed correctly, but expensive. > Somewhat less so now that they have more serious 80 GHz competition from > SIAE, Siklu and others. > > > > > On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > >> I tried Bridgewave back in the day of Daniel. Did not have a good >> experience. So far nothing has changed my mind about that band. And I am >> in Utah.... >> >> *From:* Eric Kuhnke >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:52 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >> >> Please don't let your impression of 60 GHz be influenced by IgniteNet's >> silly USB dongle in front of a reflector, cheap stuff... >> >> Bridgewave (REMEC/Mosely) and others make much more expensive, carrier >> grade, fiber-connected 60 GHz PTP equipment that is good for five nines >> reliability at 500 to 650 meters in a Seattle-like rain zone. Somewhat less >> distance in places that have higher mm/hour rain rates. These are serious >> products that take direct 48VDC power, singlemode fiber connections, and >> have dedicated management interfaces. >> >> "serious" 60 GHz equipment is built to the same standards as $15,000 80 >> GHz links and is used by a lot of large ISPs. Most of whom don't consider >> themselves to be WISPs, but rather ISPs that happen to use PTP millimeter >> wave when it is necessary or justified. >> >> I have not personally seen a Metrolinq 60 GHz but I have seen photos of >> one disassembled, and it is literally a USB 802.11ad 60 GHz dongle hot >> glued to a plastic thing in front of a reflector. Scary. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >> >>> Well hell, that is almost TMI. I expected as such from this band. >>> Sounds like if they increase the sensitivity of the switchover mechanism it >>> would be a contender. >>> >>> *From:* Matt Hoppes >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:38 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >>> >>> Let me back up. >>> >>> We lose our IN link every time a bird pees. It generally holds up during >>> torrential down pours. >>> >>> Random fog events will cause it to become trashed. >>> >>> The link is .6 miles. I expected it to fade from time to time. The >>> problem for me is the fail over does not happen properly. >>> >>> It's a gosh darn USB dongle attached to a reflector dish. Don't expect >>> too much out of it. >>> >>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 18:28, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >>> >>> How far is your shot? What channel are you using? >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:26 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >>> >>> >>> >>> I disagree. We lose our IN link every time it rains. And the 5GHz does >>> not fail over seemleasly at all. >>> >>> >>> >>> There is packet loss and high pings until the 60GHz finally dies. Then >>> it sometimes flips. >>> >>> >>> On Oct 19, 2017, at 17:56, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>> >>> If a bunch of folks deploy it and do so correctly, there won't be >>> complaining. ;-) >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:55:08 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >>> >>> I ain’t belivin nuthing until a bunch of folks have deployed this stuff >>> and start complaining about it. Then we will have believable data. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Mike Hammett >>> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:32 PM >>> >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >>> >>> >>> >>> https://transition.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Do >>> cuments/bulletins/oet70/oet70a.pdf >>> >>> page 7 vs. page 15 >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 4:28:48 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >>> >>> Between 50-80GHz, oxygen attenuates the EM spectrum significantly more >>> than water. Not to say that it doesn’t contribute at all to fade, but at >>> 300 meters you’d probably only ever go down if Poseiden himself took >>> offense to your client. >>> >>> >>> >>> http://windowsil.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/atm_absorption.gif >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Wright >>> >>> Network Administrator >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:19 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >>> >>> >>> >>> This link would be just under 300 meters. Will I ever go down for rain? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 10/19/2017 4:17:00 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, it's still an issue. To say otherwise is dumb. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>> >>> >>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 3:16:09 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >>> >>> Is rain fade an issue? >>> >>> >>> >>> I just read an article claiming that the atmospheric attenuation at >>> 60ghz is so great that at any range where 60ghz will operate the rain fade >>> is insignificant. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >>> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> >>> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:58:56 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, and the LR brackets. They should just drop the regular bracket and >>> make everyone order the decent ones. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> At 1300m will I really need a scope to align it? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> From: "Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net> >>> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> >>> Sent: 10/19/2017 2:41:28 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >>> >>> >>> >>> I have a 1300 meter link on PTP60-35 radios doing -59/-61. Very happy >>> with them. The mounts they come with are trash. Get the “long range” >>> brackets and alignment scope. >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Wright >>> >>> Network Administrator >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 19, 2017 11:12 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IgniteNet Metrolinq >>> >>> >>> >>> I have a microwave shot about 3 blocks long, so 60ghz seems like an >>> option. >>> >>> >>> >>> Have any of you tried IgniteNet? Has it been reliable for you? >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't actually need a gigabit in this case, I just need it to be up. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Carl Peterson >>> >>> *PORT NETWORKS* >>> >>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>> >>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>> >>> (410) 637-3707 <(410)%20637-3707> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > >
