I'm thinking your heavy site example is using something like 500-600
Watts.
Eltek is nice. I bet you'll spend a couple grand on that.
I'm waiting for a quote on that Alpha Cordex thing somebody posted the
other day. That's a helluva compact, one piece setup. I like the idea
that it's one box plus a management card and I'm ready to rock. I'd have
to add a smallish 48-24 converter for a few items, but that's about it.
On your heavy site, if you used David's Meanwell parts list you'd have
to swap in a bigger 24v power supply, and find a big 24-48 converter.
They make meanwell SD up to like 800 Watts or so. I prefer the RSD, but
those only go to 300W.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/29/2018 12:56:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
That looks to meet alot of our need, though the 48 volt
SAF recommended Eltek minipack system, i havent priced that
This is what most of our sites have (theres some depreciating ubnt
sectors too)
4x EPMP access point/Paketflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-48
4x AP320/Packetflux injector/Meanwell DR-120-24
Sitemonitor/cambium wallwort
1-2 backhauls (unlic: epmp, ptp500, UBNT rocket) (lic: SAF or Mimosa)
RB1100AHX2 (AC power)
HP 1810 24g switch (AC power)
APC 750xl or 1000xl w/management card
This is probably one of our more heavily populated sites
4x ap320/packetflux/meanwell 48v
4x fsk/packetflux/meanwell 24v
4x EPMP/packetflux/ meanwell 48v
2x UBNT Nanobridge private APs/ubnt PS
2x SAF Lumina/ SAF PS (will be 1x lumina and 2x Integra soon)
3x UBNT rocket M5/UBNT PS
1x EPMP force 200/EPMP PS
1x PTP 650/Cambium PS
1x sitemonitor/cambium 29v PS
1x RB1100AHX2/AC power
1x HP 1810g 24/AC power
APC 1500XL + 2 External packs and management card
the AC fans run on the utility side because I dont have the battery
budget
Cabling is a shitshow with all the AC powercords and branded power
supplies too.
I assume the APC UPS runtime is wasted with all the power supplies.
Scalability is a factor as well, so far we havent justified 450m but
may soon and we will roll some LTE in the near term which will add
substantial demand
On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:39 PM, David Coudron
<david.coud...@advantenon.com> wrote:
Here is what we are doing, I think this is close to what Steve is
asking for:
Meanwell SDR-240-24 AC to DC power source: $84
Meanwell DR-UPS40 Battery Float/UPS: $37
Tycon TPDIN MonitorWeb2: $131
24 V of battery backup $70-120 depending on the runtime looking for
Netonix 150 W or 250 DC switch: $250-350 (This is really the only
expensive component)
Heater: $65
Fan: $14
With this, we can run 5-8 hours on very small batteries, we figure we
have several hours to get a generator to the site if power isn’t
coming back. We run all POE from the Netonix, it works really well.
Here are the other things we can do with the box:
Monitor temp in the cabinetMonitor/alert on loss of AC line power
through TP DINMonitor voltage of the batteriesMonitor voltage to the
NetonixMonitor Current to the NetonixMonitor Current in/out of the
batteriesAuto start the heater below 40 degreesAuto start the fan
above 80 degreesPower cycle the netonix from the TP DINPower cycle any
AP, Router, Backhaul from the Netonix
We also put a Mikrotik router in this cabinet. Usually a Hex POE
(for small sites) or a 3011 for larger sites.
We have 13 in the field set up like this and are going 15 more right
now. While it might be a little more than what you were thinking, it
gives us a ton of control for pretty minimal investment per site.
Best part is, no coding necessary. Doing all this with the Monitor
Web2 settings and/or SNMP. Let me know if you are interested in
pictures. For this second batch we have started using Terminal
blocks to clean up the wiring, the cabinets look a little better, but
we went to a smaller poly cabinet that makes things a little tight.
Regards,
David Coudron
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2018 5:39 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
You can still do DC-DC off it and then hook up netonix. If I had to
do it now I'd go with the IDC switch. When we did our design, the idc
didn't exist so we just went down to 24V off of our A and B sides and
run a redundant powered 24V bus which all the netonix switches run on.
I better buy up another batch of Elteks before all y'all buy them all
up. These are mostly decommissioned Sprint/Clearwire btw.
On Jan 27, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
A 12 port version would be nice. Looks like the 26 port version is
$600.
On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Gino A. Villarini
<g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
Used to, now with the IDC model is not needed (isolated dc)…
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Josh Baird
<joshba...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Saturday, January 27, 2018 at 1:51 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
Which Netonix are you running at - 48V? Or are you using an
isolated DC/DC converter in between the -48V rectifier and Netonix?
On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Gino A. Villarini
<g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
Refurb/ used Eltek/Valere –48 Rectifier shelf off Ebay ~$400 + 1
Netonix IDC Switch $400… all done. You can power 90% of WISP gear
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Steve Jones
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Friday, January 26, 2018 at 9:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion
Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small
wisp budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and
giving realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar
components combined with a full time linux guy and a full time
coder?
Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do
have some advisory busget.
Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on
batteries coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes
by letting the apcs die..... please, somebody, please. Otherwise i
have to go to the facebook groups, and thats like going to a
mikrotik or ubnt forum.
