Like i said, it was a stupid idea.  I'm all on board the fiber train, but having had some rodent just eat through the fiber cable going to the top (on the tower side of the service loop), I was longing for something that I could just patch back together.

On 3/29/2018 1:48 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
For once I agree with Mike, lol, I think Teletronics had a coax to Ethernet cabling solution catered to hotels and hospitals.   Long ago.

Jaime Solorza

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018, 11:37 AM Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

    If we're changing methods, we should be going to glass and power
    up the tower and not use anything conductive for data.



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    <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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    *From: *"Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com <mailto:n...@blastcomm.com>>
    *To: *"Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
    *Sent: *Thursday, March 29, 2018 10:47:37 AM
    *Subject: *[AFMUG] A Stupid coax question

    Comcast has been deploying their WIFI hotspot network like mad in the
    Chicago metro.  Every public park, gas station, strip mall, hotel,
    and
    train station seems to have a wifi AP hung outside of it now.  These
    units just hang on their aerial coax cable, and get their power
    and data
    just off a single RG-6 coax run off the nearest splitter.  Drawing
    the
    power off the DC Coax plant.  Here's a picture of a typical
    installation.
    
http://comcastsupport.i.lithium.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/22608i79AFB9E182CD549C?v=1.0

    So this got me thinking again, as I have for several years, why
    are we
    still using POE to run PMP Equipment on towers.  It seems from a
    installation, RF Shielding, and grounding/suppression perspective,
    using
    coax would be the far better choice.  Anyone can be taught to
    terminate
    a perfect RG6 in <5 minutes.  No Colors to remember. Any couplers are
    inherently waterproof.  No loose plugs or broken clips. Cheap cheap
    cheap outdoor cable.  Shielded cables by default.  It just seems that
    there are a lot of benefits for the low power draw radios. 
    Obviously a
    licensed link can't pull enough power over an RG6, but EPMP or 450 or
    UBNT PMP radios I would think could run just fine. Instead of
    having to
    deal with switching equipment or breakout boxes at the top of a
    tower,
    just run up a larger coax to a splitter.  No outdoor enclosure needed.

    Is it simply a lack of products that would make development costs too
    much, or is there another technical aspect I'm missing. Docsis
    version
    3.1 Full Duplex, which is currently in development will do 10gb sync,
    Docsis 3.1 is 10gb/1gb.  More than enough for any of our AP
    Clusters for
    at least a few years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOCSIS#Comparison
    It seems like UBNT or Cambium (heck Motorola already had all the coax
    products built) could easily make a 10gb Fiber to Coax adapter for
    the
    tower base. Feed it with Fiber and DC, then just keep adding
    splitters
    and radios until you run out of power budget.

    It just seems like I've never heard it discussed, and I'm not sure
    why.
    Obviously there is something I'm missing.  Docsis is a standard, but
    maybe there's no standard for the power delivery on the coax?  So
    vendor
    Inter-op prohibits development dollars from being spent on it.

    Nate


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