John. Morally, you're correct. Morality is the net outcome of a closed group's collective decisions and actions over time. It shows who and what such a group is inherently is. Not all morality is equal. Selective morality is similar to selective ignorance.
"The assumption is that you and your DNA are owned, monetized, expendable, subservient to tech and AI with little review." I think it was in the 1970's, where a patent for human DNA was awarded to a single man in America. The kings and lords who build empires think 300 years in advance. It's a known phenomenon. You were born and raised in a powerful country, one that could go anywhere in the world and forcibly take what it wanted. That comes at a price. Yet, here you are, deeply dissatisfied. You're still free to think and feel that way and voice it publicly with little reservation, off course. You can move wherever you want in the USA without your "papers" getting checked all the time, have many options of jobs and even no-jobs, have food and on-tap power, sewerage, shelter, amazing education, as many experiences as you want to have in 1 life, religions galore, a deep heritage and a strong constitution and functional legal system. You're already free, but you don't even know it. Your prison must therefore be your own mind. What have you done with so much freedom? Bought the very gadgets as lifestyle you now lament? Could be, you're dissatisifed because you've had it all for far too long. Do you really desire the opposite of what you've had a lifetime to enjoy and benefit from? For hundreds of years, all the "moral" citizens enjoyed the benefits of their lifestyles, morality intact. Only those who did the killing carried the scars, but the greater majority benefitted. This is a historical pattern for this civilization. The empire now wants control of its citizens. Many have become anti-imperial. If your empire lost the battle for its own existence within, it would lose it without. Sadly, but predictably, more and more control measures erode the freedoms you once had. Realtively-speaking, you still have it good. But, it's at the expense of others whose freedoms you never stood up for, or didn't know you should stand up for, or thought they didn't equally derserve to have. It's not good or bad. But, it's just the way it is. If you want your freedom, go live somehere where you experience it. Get out of your disenchanted mind, rinse your pathology with refreshed patterns. I could think of hundreds of millions of people in this world who would cherish the freedom you lament. I know many "unfree" citizens of great countries who spend most of their lives with their children in foreign countries where they feel free. As Tucker Carlosn announced. I'm an American. I'm free to live where ever I want in the world. Archetype? If you want to change the empire, you're spitting in the wind. It is what it is. Generally, a triad of power has 3 legs. Brute force, Money (in all its forms), Information (technology). You can map any country's relative power in those terms. The world don't need a paranoid superpower. Nuclear armaments = superpower. Today, we have at least 2 paranoid superpowers and 2 wildcard "superpowers". Three of those 4 are against your country. You're experiencing an outcome, not a cause. Seems to me, with humans, freedom is only valued, when it is truly lost. On Fri, Dec 12, 2025 at 5:26 AM John Rose via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tuesday, December 09, 2025, at 11:48 PM, Quan Tesla wrote: > > John. We're all in opinion territory. Let me ask, what do you mean by "our > freedoms"? Humans don't know how to be free. We become insecure and fearful > without our entrained scripts and prescribed socialized routines to soothe > us. Creatures of habit, not freedom. Freedom's an artifiact of a necessary > delusion. It could be made more real, but not unless we understood its > essence. Why else would death be viewed as the only gateway to "freedom", > which it isn't. The fatalistic delusion persists. > > > Freedom of speech, worship, press, assembly, movement, thought,.. bodily > autonomy, basic human rights, privacy. All under assault. Each physical > body already has a legal financial contractual strawman merging into a > digital twin untwinning identity, omni-surveillance, monitoring, tracking, > recording devices everywhere, in your phone, watch, TV, thermostat, car, > water heater, tracking networks building up like Flock, audio speakers are > microphones, facial rec, injected nano ID’s, 5G, 6G, EMF everywhere is it > safe?, mind interfaces from satellites, emotion and pre-crime detection, > networked, cataloged, tying into the digital money system with social > credit scoring. The technology exists to see out of your eyes who has > permission? Countries like the UK are fighting with millions of signed > petitions but selfish paid-off politicians decide. The assumption is that > you and your DNA are owned, monetized, expendable, subservient to tech and > AI with little review. Once it’s gone it’s gone. There are some serious > problems with freedom but it’s all blindly pushing ahead. You don’t own > yourself anymore but you think you do. Every country is different though... > then there's the globalists. > > On Tuesday, December 09, 2025, at 11:48 PM, Quan Tesla wrote: > > Switching channels. The collective term for TOEs is GUTs (Grand > Unification Theories). A TOE is an impossibility, a dream. If it ever > existed, all science would cease. There would be nothing left to discover. > The term "proto" is not only modest, but also reflects wisdom. I know, > because I also had to cross over that bridge myself. Hindsight is a great > teacher. > > > They are speculative unproven models for science yet to be done. Nothing > wrong with thinking ahead and and trying to get a holistic view of > everything. I just got my hands on some TOE-like doc images of synthetic > cosmology covering psionic quantum consciousness protocols and interfaces, > Hilbert mesh. I'm evaluating and trying to get PDF's. Marked classified, > probably fake but still worth investigating for the mental gymnastics... > but you know the real deal is out there. > > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + > delivery options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> > Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T7ff992c51cca9e36-M2e3ed9cb02e542e4050be2db> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T7ff992c51cca9e36-Md42c431ee952f66dc8aca586 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
