On 10/11/07, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vladimir, > > No I'm sure the problem-solving isn't all down to recasting in terms of > physical models. But can you think of a scientific problem area, where such > recasting isn't involved?
I just tried to provide my reason for considering it a mirage: even if problem-solving doesn't involve physical reasoning, it can be introspectively recast as sequence of spatial representations. Domain-specific concepts involved in problem-solving can easily be placed on spatially arranged schemata, but reasoning is correctly carried out because of knowledge of these concepts' relations and implications, not simply because of spatial setting in which they are arranged. It's equivalent to calling mathematics ink-reasoning because it's historically performed with help of remarks made by ink on paper and any result can be written down by ink on paper. > > (Very tangentially, what comes to my mind is chess. I'm confident that human > problemsolving here - and the ability to search through only scores as > opposed to billions of chessboard scenarios to arrive at moves - depends > on physical models, and is an ahem graphic illustration of the very > different ways in which current computers and a true general intelligence > think). > > Vladimir: These 'recastings' of problems are essentially inference steps, > where > > each step is evident and is performed by trained expert's intuition. > > Sequence of such simple steps can constitute complex inference which > > leads to solution of complex problem. This recasting isn't necessarily > > related to physical common sense, even though each intermediate > > representation can be represented as spatially-temporal construction > > by virtue of being representable by frame graphs evolving over time, > > which does not reflect the rules of this evolution (which are the > > essence of inference which is being performed). > > > > On 10/11/07, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Just to underline my point about the common sense foundations of logic > >> and > >> general intelligence - I came across this from : Education & Learning to > >> Think by Lauren B Resnick - (and a section entitled "General Reasoning - > >> Improving Intelligence). > >> > >> "Recent research in science problem solving shows that experts do not > >> respond to problems as they are presented - writing equations for every > >> relationship described and then using routine procedures for manipulating > >> equations.Instead they reinterpret the problems, recasting them in terms > >> of > >> general scientific principles until the solutions become almost > >> self-evident." > >> > >> He points out that the same principles apply to virtually all subjects in > >> the curriculum. I would suggest that those experts are recasting problems > >> principally in terms of physical common sense models. NARS, it seems to > >> me, > >> "responds to problems as they are presented." > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > >> To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > >> http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > >> > > > > > > -- > > Vladimir Nesov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ----- > > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.6/1060 - Release Date: > > 09/10/2007 16:43 > > > > > > > ----- > This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email > To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: > http://v2.listbox.com/member/?&; > -- Vladimir Nesov mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=52167140-0c0e45
