Abram, Some comments are added into your writing after my first reading. It seems I need to read it again.
Pei On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Abram Demski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow! I did not mean to stir up such an argument between you two!! > > Pei, > > What if instead of using "node probability", the knowledge that "wrote > an AGI book" is rare was inserted as a low frequency (high confidence) > truth value on "human" => "wrote an AGI book"? Could NARS use that to > do what Ben wants? More specifically, could it do so with only the > knowledge: > > Ben is agi-author <high, high> > guy is agi-author <high, high> > Ben is human <high, high> > guy is human <high, high> > human is agi-author <low, high> > > If this was literally all NARS knew, what difference would > adding/removing the last item make to the system's opinion of "guy is > Ben"? > > To answer your earlier question, I am still ignoring confidence. It > could always be calculated from the frequencies, of course. But, that > does not justify using them in the calculations the way you do. > Perhaps once I figure out the exact formulas for everything, I will > see if they match up to a particular value of the parameter k. Or, > perhaps, a value of k that moves according to the specific situation. > Hmm... actually... that could be used as a fudge factor to get > everything to "match up"... :) > > Also, attached is my latest revision. I have found that NARS deduction > does not quite fit with my definitions. Induction and abduction are OK > so far. If in the end I merely have something "close" to NARS, I will > consider this a success-- it is an interpretation that fits well > enough to show where NARS essentially differs from probability theory. > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Pei Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes, I know them, though I don't like any of them that I've seen. I >> wonder Abram can find something better. >> >> To tell you the truth, my whole idea of confidence actually came from >> a probabilistic formula, after my re-interpretation of it. >> >> Pei >> >> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Note that formally, the >>> >>> c = n/(n+k) >>> >>> equation also exists in the math of the beta distribution, which is used >>> in Walley's imprecise probability theory and also in PLN's indefinite >>> probabilities... >>> >>> So there seems some hope of making such a correspondence, based on >>> algebraic evidence... >>> >>> ben >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Pei Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Abram, >>>> >>>> Can your approach gives the Confidence measurement a probabilistic >>>> interpretation? It is what really differs NARS from the other >>>> approaches. >>>> >>>> Pei >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 11:22 PM, Abram Demski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> This example also shows why NARS and PLN are similar on deduction, but >>>> >>> very different in abduction and induction. >>>> >> >>>> >> Yes. One of my biggest practical complaints with NARS is that the >>>> >> induction >>>> >> and abduction truth value formulas don't make that much sense to me. >>>> > >>>> > Interesting in the context of these statements that my current >>>> > "justification" for NARS probabilistically justifies induction and >>>> > abduction but isn't as clear concerning deduction. 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