Goodness.. I feel like a) it is mighty hard to draw distinctions about these kinds of experiences in ordinary, informal language...
b) this is kinda off topic for the list ;-) ben On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eric, > > > > If, as your post below implies, you have experienced "ego loss," --- please > tell me --- how, if at all, was it different than the sense of oneness with > the surround world that I described in my post of Fri 11/21/2008 8:02 PM > which started this named thread. > > > > That is, how was it different than merely having, for an extended period of > time, a oneness with sensual experience of the computational richness of > external reality around (or perhaps of just ones breathing and feelings it > engenders) --- a oneness uninterrupted by awareness of oneself as a > something separate from such sensations or by the chattering of the chatbot > most of us have inside our heads --- other than for the standard effects on > sensations and emotions one would routinely associate with being > entheogenned. > > > > Ed Porter > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Burton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:40 AM > To: agi@v2.listbox.com > Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > consciousness > > > > Hey, ego loss is attendant with even modest doses of LSD or > > psilocybin. At ~ 700 mics I found that effect to be very much > > background > > > > On 11/21/08, Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Ben, > >> > >> "Entheogens!" > >> > >> What a great word/euphemism. > >> > >> Is it pronounced like "Inns" (where travelers sleep) + "Theo" (short for > >> "Theodore") + "gins"(a subset of liquors I normally avoid like the plague, > >> except in the occasional summer gin and tonic with lime)? > >> > >> What is the respective emphasis given to each of these three parts in the > >> proper pronunciations. > >> > >> It is a word that would be deeply appreciated by many at my local >> Unitarian > >> Church. > >> > >> Ed Porter > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ben Goertzel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:11 PM > >> To: agi@v2.listbox.com > >> Subject: Re: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of > >> consciousness > >> > >>> When I was in college and LSD was the rage, one of the main goals of the > >>> heavy duty heads was "ego loss" which was to achieve a sense of cosmic > >>> oneness with all of the universe. It was commonly stated that 1000 > >>> micrograms was the ticket to "ego loss." I never went there. Nor have I > >>> ever achieved cosmic oneness through meditation, although I have achieved > >>> temporary (say fifteen or thirty seconds) feeling of deep peaceful bliss. > >>> > >>> Perhaps you have been more brave (acid wise) or much lucky or disciplined > >>> meditation wise, and have achieve a seen of oneness with the cosmic > >>> consciousness. If so, I tip my hat (and Colbert wag of the finger) to > >> you. > >> > >> Not a great topic for public mailing list discussion but .. uh .. yah .. > >> > >> But it's not really so much about the dosage ... entheogens are tools > >> and it's all about what you do with them ;-) > >> > >> ben > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------- > >> agi > >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > >> Modify Your Subscription: > >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > >> > >> > > > > ________________________________ > agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The empires of the future are the empires of the mind." -- Sir Winston Churchill ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=120640061-aded06 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
